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smark

01-25-2004 13:28:33




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Ford 800 tractor 6 volt. Been jumping it due to weak Battery. Now it wont run-cant get a spark. I think the Battery is completly dead. Would a DEAD Battery cause no spark? Already replaced Coil, Points and Cndensor. Any other Ideas? Also should I get a spark from the top of the Coil to a ground?(Im getting nothing)..Thanks!




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Okie Bob

01-26-2004 11:41:12




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  
If it has a resistor, it may have burned through. That would lead to no "juice" to the coil. Just another idea.



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Tom

01-26-2004 06:22:14




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  

Smark,

If you have enough battery capacity to turn the starter motor, you have enough battery capacity to generate a spark in the ignition system. It would be good to get a new battery, but I seriously doubt that is what is causing your lack of spark.

How about a little review of what generates the spark?

The ignition system is comprised of the primary side and the secondary side. The primary side consists of the battery, ignition switch, primary winding in the coil, points, and the condensor. One of the little posts on the coil will be connected to your battery via the ignition switch. The other little post on the coil will have a wire that goes into your distributor.

When the ignition switch is turned on, battery voltage will be applied to one side of the coil. If the points are closed, current will flow from the battery through the primary winding of the coil, resulting in the build up of an elecromagnetic field in the coil. When the points BREAK (open), the magnetic field collapses and induces a large voltage into the secondary winding of the coil. This large voltage is presented to the large center connector on the coil. The only purpose of the condenser is to reduce the arc that occurs when the points open after having been closed. The condensor does not create any of the spark itself. Condensors seldom fail, but if one did short out, it would be just like the points were staying closed all of the time. If one opened (which virtually never happens with a condensor), the only effect would be that the points would arc and burn more quickly than normal.

The secondary side of the system is comprised of the secondary winding on the coil (large center post), the distributor cap, rotor, spark plug wires, and spark plugs. When the points OPEN and the large voltage is presented at the center connector on the coil, it is directed into the center post on the distributor via the wire that goes from the center post on the coil to the center post on the distributor cap. It then is applied to the top of the rotor which presents it to a post on the distributor cap. It is then delivered to the spark plug via the spark plug wire.

So, having said all of that, if you have no spark, you need to insure that the you have battery voltage applied to one post of the coil when you turn on the ignition switch, that the points really are closing, that the points really are opening, and the coil is okay. If you have an ohm meter, you can disconnect the wires from the coil and check for continuity between the two little posts on the coil. You should have a few ohms of resistance in the coil. If it is open, the coil is bad. If it is zero ohms, the coil is shorted. If it is a few ohms, the coil is good.

By far, the most frequent cause of failure to generate a spark is that the points are incorrectly adjusted and therefore they are not closing when they should or opening when they should. That's the first thing I'd check if I were you. Good luck.

Tom

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i r baboon

01-25-2004 16:25:31




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  
also, fords bad to not pass current across points. use book matches cover rubbed between points while closed



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DOK

01-25-2004 16:07:31




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  
Did you replace the cap and rotor? Also, make sure the metal surface the points mount to is providing good contact. I had a 6 volt 801 series tractor with similar problem. I used emery cloth to polish the metal area in the distributor that made contact with the points when they are screwed in place. I never had another problem.



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Mark in AB

01-25-2004 15:12:16




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  
Are you jumping with another 6v tractor? If you are jumping with a 12v you probably blew your new coil.



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D.L.

01-25-2004 14:23:46




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  
Might want to try a new battery... when the old one is completely dead... weird things can happen. Theoretically, you should be able to start an engine with a dead battery by jumping... and you probably could start this one if you completely disconnect the dead battery and hook the jumper cables directly to the battery cables. To answer your second question, yes, if you hold your coil wire a fraction of an inch away from a ground (the engine block) while cranking... you should see a healthy spark! If you don't, you have: bad points or condenser, bad coil, bad wires or connections, or no electricity! You might also want to check the condition of the battery cables and connections at the generator and voltage regulator. Might as well check it all out while you're at it!!!

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john

01-25-2004 14:18:35




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 Re: no spark in reply to smark, 01-25-2004 13:28:33  
Well yes if you got a dead battery the coil will not fire. But on the other hand if you are jumping it from another battery and have enough of a charge to make the motor crank over you should have enough juice to fire coil. Yes if you take the coil wire out of the dist. and touch to ground it should spark while cranking. If you have replaced coil; points; and condenser with good parts you got to have a battery problem or more likely a wiring problem; plus a totally separate charging system problem.

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THANK YOU!

01-27-2004 14:40:32




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 Re: Re: no spark in reply to john, 01-25-2004 14:18:35  
Thanks all! My Baby is now backrunning. Had a loose Negitive cable and a low Battery. I was jumping it to get it running while my 6 v was battery was slowly dying. Thanks for all the info!!!!



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