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Opinions of White 4-150

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Paul Maiewski

01-29-2004 05:35:30




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Hello,

I'm considering buying a White 4-150 for the upcoming season, and am interested in hearing from some folks who've run them what they have to say about them.

Are these reliable tractors? Why are the asking prices for these often lower than other tractors with similar horsepower? Are they terribly difficult to work on? What is a fair price for one in decent condition? What is the difference between a 4-150 and a 4-175? If I do go look at one, what should I be especially alert for?

Right now I run Olivers, so I am not afraid of "orphan" tractors, but I have no experience with these articulated Whites. Any information will be appreciated,

Thanks,
Paul

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hardscrabble

02-02-2004 19:57:17




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
My brother farmed with a 4-180, which I'll admit was built a little better than the 4-150. But I think the biggest problem with the 4-150( along with the 2+2 IH's) was the salesmen who oversold them. These were lightweights, more suited for rowcrop work. But since, for a while, they were all WFE and IH had to offer for 4wd, the dealers were selling them in the same class as the heavier Steigers and Versatiles. The end result was a lot of dissatified customers, and little or no repeat business.

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Zoltan

01-31-2004 01:00:02




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
Mr. Meiewski

My neighbor bought a Versatile 800 new in the early 80's. Never did a damn thing wrong, when the clutch went, his 15-16 year old son changed it in the field in about an hour (45 min. seems right, maybe). It now has something like 9000 hours, uses a little oil but still pulls good. I've seen it hop like a big rabbit when it was stuck with a cultivator on it's tail (it has definately seen some abuse) nothing broke. Some Versatiles had good engines and some bad (talked to dealer at auction sale, they were very interested in the ser. no.), I don't know if this applies to the 800? Based on what I've seen that thing go through I say that's what you would want. Another neighbor had Deeres, when he had to change a clutch, the engine had to come out. Total crap as far as sevicability goes. They compared notes as to dollar spent on fuel, parts, downtime, servicability, etc. the Versitile won easily. V-8 and diesel don't belong in the same sentence for this reason: 6 cyl. = 7 main bearings.....V-8 cyl. = 5 main bearings. My opinion. Hope it helped.

Best of luck

Zoltan

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Shane

01-29-2004 15:26:52




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
Around here it seems like all the White 4wd's are used for pulling grain carts. Evidently they are cheap horse power and since they are 4wd they make great cart pullers. Don't see too many actually working the ground. Now I don't know why anyone says that those Cat 3208's are junk or throwaway engines! We have one in out NH TR95 and one in a GMC truck and the only thing ever to go wrong with either on was a seal in the injection pump... and it only requires you to take a small cover off to replace it. We also have a 3116 in an old MF 1800 (now that is a darn good old 4wd tractor!!) and it is similar to the 3208 and that thing has over 4000 hrs and not a single thing has ever been done to it.

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Larry806

01-29-2004 15:17:44




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
We run a 4-180 and a 4-150 never had much problems with either one. We use the 180 most of the time because it handle's better They both have 3pt & pto I don't care much for Olivers after a JUNK 1955 and a even more JUNK 1855 But I would replace either one with one just like it



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Rick

01-29-2004 13:51:28




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
Paul; We had 4-150 when I was growing up I ran it for several years with dad. They seemed to be just built on the lighter side. I pulled dirt mover with it,7 bottom plows etc. The motor always heard bad things about but we never had any problems there. They seem to have a wiring problem was the worst we had. We traded for a New Stieger back then had 250hp. It was a work horse just could not get enough use out of it,no pto. Later when went on own i bought a 4-180 it was good tractor. The cabs are not much to brag about but it was a good cheap horsepower for me at time. I traded it for 4850JDmfwd when I got offer about double what I gave for it. For first year I had more trouble with it than I ever did with the 4-180.

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Geo in SD

01-29-2004 07:51:23




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
A few years ago, I worked for a White dealer, and had the opportunity to work on several 4-150's. Not impressed. Seems like they were in the shop more than in the field. Engine, trans, final drive, nothing seemed to stand up very long. Quite a few years ago when I was farming, had a neighbor who tried one, fixed it every day, and finally parked it in the weeds. Last I saw it, it had trees growing up around it.

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JMS/MN

01-29-2004 07:34:42




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
Difference in the two tractors is the hp (25). Cat 3208 is known as a 'throwaway engine'. Neighbor replaced his with a 34xx? and that one threw a rod into the field a few years later. Then bought a pumpkin. 4-2xx are built better. Jack up the center to check the pivot pins for wear. Cheap power as long as they last- same story with other older 4wd. Can't beat the extra traction though. But I think Steiger, Versatile, are more dependable. Might be harder to find with pto, 3ph, if you need that.

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Bob

01-29-2004 16:32:54




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 Re: Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to JMS/MN, 01-29-2004 07:34:42  
While I don't consider the 3208 the best diesel ever made, why do you call it a "throw away engine"? They are just as rebuildable as a lot of other diesels. They are not a sleeved engine, but can be bored out and sleeved back to standard. Even the "famous" Cummins 5.9 is a parent-bore engine, and has to be bored and/or sleeved if wear or damage happens to one or more cylinders. I have 3208's in tandem farm trucks, and have had good service from them.

I have never owned a 4-150, but 2 of my neighbors did, for many years. They run them a little below rated speed, and didn't pull their guts out, and had pretty good luck with them. For their day, they had fairly quiet cabs.

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Matt K

01-29-2004 05:54:10




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
I've never been very impressed with the White 4wd tractors. They have the small Cat V-8 engine, which never impressed me much either. They use their own drive train parts, rear ends, etc. They are not maintenance friendly. I personally would look for a Versatile or Steiger. Most of these used Eaton axles/differentials, outboard planetaries, Cummins or bigger Cat engines. Parts are cheaper, they're more reliable, and easier to work on. I've seen older 700 versatiles sell for $3000.

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junk

01-29-2004 05:44:17




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 Re: Opinions of White 4-150 in reply to Paul Maiewski, 01-29-2004 05:35:30  
Have heard the 4-150 was a pile of junk, along with the 4-175.

Go for the 4-210 or 4-270 - those were better built.

Besides, 4wd just isn't necessary in a 150 or 175 horsepower tractor...



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