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thurlow

01-29-2004 06:43:33




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Guess the time has to come to buy a digital camera; have got a still-excellent 35mm and scanner, but you know.....technological advances, getting left behind, etc. Looked through the archives, but that didn't help; couldn't see a "consensus" of opinion. Anything (brand, pixels, etc) to stay away from? About 16,000 currently listed on e-bay..... .Advice????




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Kelly C

01-30-2004 05:19:53




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
third party image

It depends on what you want to do. If you are going to be printing photos on your printer. High Res is good. Cost alot to print them though.
If you use it for email, Interenet ect. 640X480 res is about as high res as you want to go.
For the internet you want your photos to be about 60k or less in size. Mine avg 48k with my 640x480 old polaroid PDC640 uses smart media in 8 or 16 meg cards. 16 meg holds 90 640x480 photos.
I have USB card reader attached to my comp via a card reader. Computer thinks its a hard drive.
I use a cheap photo software that came with my printer and srink the size to 80% of original.
This get the 48k size I need to post.
You should be able to find a camara on ebay like this for $50 to $75. Card reader is $30 and the memory is about $15 each. This photo is about 46k in size.

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Steve Cox

01-29-2004 23:39:12




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I try and follow the electronics trends but by far an expert. I will however tell you that you should stay at or above 3 mega pixels, get a camera with an optical zoom and the aditional digital zoom. I have used several types as a police officer and found that the Kodak easy share cameras or simple reliable and give you great pics. But there are alot of cameras to choose from. The three items listed above will give you very good pics.

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Terry G

01-29-2004 21:20:45




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Ive used several Olympus digital cameras and favor that brand. I have used a D490 w/ 3x zoom the last couple years and have been very pleased.

One problem I noticed a few years back is that some "AA" rechargable batteries. May be slightly shorter than some alkalines in overall length. This caused them not to make contact in the battery compartment after using alkalines.



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Gene Davis (GA.)

01-29-2004 18:42:41




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
We have the Sony Mavica that uses a regular floppy disk. So far it has been so satisfactory that I have no thoughts of buying a newer model! Gene Davis



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720Deere

01-29-2004 14:44:23




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I use a Sony. We take over 1000 pictures a year with it. Probably didn't take 50 a year with the 35mm. Any digital camera will work well, but I would stick with something above 3 megapixels as that seems to be the min. for good quality photos.



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DOK

01-29-2004 14:32:09




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I like my Kodak EasyShare 4330. I recommend the docking port if you select the EasyShare. I have used over one year and am still using original battery.



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Stan(PA)

01-29-2004 13:56:32




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
BobM pretty much summed it up. I will add that 8x10's look best with 3.2 or higher megapixel, also: most 4 or 5 megapixel cameras allow selection for lower resolution. That means you have the best of both worlds, high quality or a boatload of low res pictures on a memory stick! I would personally buy a 4 or 5 megapixel, you'll appreciate it when you do want the quality, and you will eventually want the quality....Stan

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Rick

01-29-2004 13:39:36




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
thurlow; daughter got me one for birthday,it is Samsung digimax 130,operates on 4 double a batteries. I am still learnign it but so far I have been doing fine with it and getting pics on computor. I still have windows 95. Beleive me I don't no all the stats on these but this is working for me. Price I don't know. It will hold 16 pic as it is when she gave to me. I have no other card yet. No need so far.

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greenbeanman

01-29-2004 13:07:02




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Digital cameras are kind of a pet peeve of mine. Far too many people don't understand that they can't get a photograph from one. Instead you get a computer print, either inkjet, laser, or whatever.

With a photograph the negative will last virtually forever, as will a photograph with the images in the chemical solution on the paper.

I recently came across some negatives that are pristine and are nearly 135 years old. It would be very easy to make a fine photograph from one of these.

So what method will by used to extract a stored digital image in even 20 years? Far too many changes in technology to even think digital images are lasting or can be retrieved at a much later date.

Having said that, if you remember that digital images are temporary and use the camera with that in mind, they are absolutely great. But please, don't take images of the grandchildren and expect your descendants to be able to see them in 100 years.

Depending how you will be using your camera, depending what you demand in being able to obtain an image--it is my understanding that Nikon has a digital that will accommodate lenses which fit their 35 mm cameras. Sounds to me like that would be a right fine camera. Well if a person could afford it.

There are a few of us old geezers that are still running Windows 95. Just make sure a camera will work with your system. I haven't yet found one that will work with mine.

Now, go sit down and write a letter to your grandchilden if you have any. Similar to images, emails won't be around for long, letters will. I recently copied several from 1868.

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720Deere

01-29-2004 14:41:37




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 Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to greenbeanman, 01-29-2004 13:07:02  
"Far too many people don't understand that they can't get a photograph from one."

It is just the opposite! You can take hundreds of photos with your digital cam that you could never afford to take with a traditional camera. I have found that the freedom that digital gives me to just snap photos at will without fearing the cost of development has given me some of the best photos that I have ever taken. You can also zoom in on a good quality digital picture to see details. Ever try zooming in on a 35mm 2 years after it was taken?

As far as prints go, I use Wal Mart's online service. Sort through all the pictures you take, pick the ones you really like, and upload to Wal Mart. I think is like $0.26 per print and you can have them sent to any store you like. My in-laws live over 500 miles away so this works great. We upload the photos to Wal Mart and have them sent to their local store. In 3 to 4 days they pick them up and we didn't even have to pay postage!

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greenbeanman

01-29-2004 15:25:37




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 Re: Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to 720Deere, 01-29-2004 14:41:37  
About zooming in on a photograph---well in some ways I have, though not a 35mm photograph.

A number of years I was on my hometown history committee. I copied several hundred old photographs. I accomplished this with a 35mm and special lens.

On some photographs I would switch to a standard lens, add some magnifying filter lens, and enlarge just certain portions of old photos.

In one photograph of the interior of a general store, you could easily see and read the brand names on products. In a school photograph you could read what the calendar had on it. All because the photographic paper the image was imbeded in had a fine grain to it.

Now that I've been told photographs can be made and not just printed images, I'm excited about digitals.

I really think they both have their places and should be used accordingly.

BTW, I like the idea of sending uploaded images to someone so that they can pick up copies at their local store.

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Bob M

01-29-2004 14:12:19




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 Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to greenbeanman, 01-29-2004 13:07:02  
Not true Greenbeanman! You can indeed have digital images printed on archival quality silver halide emulsion media (traditional photo paper). Image quality is better than injet or laser jet digital prints. And since they're printed on photo paper, when properly stored theses prints will archive as long as a traditional prints printed from film negatives.

There's many of online retailers offering printing services. Also any photo shop can make prints from digital. Cost is about the same as for traditional photo enlargements.

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greenbeanman

01-29-2004 15:10:15




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 Re: Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to Bob M, 01-29-2004 14:12:19  
"Not true Greenbeanman! You can indeed have digital images printed on archival quality silver halide emulsion media (traditional photo paper)."

I stand corrected. I certainly was not aware that photographs were ever made, only prints. I'm certainly curious as to how it is done.

By the way, my inkjet printer does an excellent job when the image is done on proper paper. When they are behind glass you can't tell they are not photos.

Now that I've learned true photographs can be made, I would like a digital more than ever.

Thanks for enlightening me.

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W J

01-29-2004 13:03:47




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Just make sure that the one you buy is NOT made in USA.



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Bob M

01-29-2004 13:51:11




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 Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to W J, 01-29-2004 13:03:47  
Not a problem... Try to find a digital camera that IS made in the United States!!



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Nebraska Cowman

01-29-2004 10:57:13




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I spent a bunch of time looking at consumer reports and wanted something simple with good battery life. ended up buying a Canon A60 and just like the heck out of it. The only flaw i see is the viewfinder on the back is easily scratched. I keep a piece of clear tape over mine. Buy a set of rechargible batters and a charger. I set mine on the lowest resilution and can take well over 30 pictures.



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Vern-MI

01-29-2004 10:17:35




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Check out the camera reviews at www.newegg.com



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Fargo

01-29-2004 09:43:43




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I have an Olympus C3030 Zoom that has taken about 18,000 perfect fotos over four years.

It is easy to use to!

:)



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1206SWMO

01-29-2004 09:25:07




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I and quite a few others on the Redpower Forum use FujiFilm Finepix 2650's.Around $200 at Walmart and they do a great job.

I have used mine for 14 months now with no problems.



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walt

01-29-2004 08:51:11




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Bob M is definitely in the know. Tried the software that came with my camera, nothing but problems uploading. Got a card reader. Before you get one from Ebay, look at this link. Far right, Input, cameras-digital. Price search engine, for computers, etc. I always look here when getting anything for the computer.

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Bob M

01-29-2004 08:32:46




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
You probably won't get a consensus opinion on this one! However below are a few thoughts based on my experience over 4 years and 20,000+ (and counting…) digital images:

1 - Megapixels aren't everything. It's a trade off: More pixels = better image. But more pixels = less capacity on memory cards and hard drive. Depending on how you plan to use your images 2 - 3 megs may be more than adequate. If all you are going to do is email or share images online, 2 megs is fine. In fact you're just posting images on line will probably end up REDUCING resolution by 50% or more to keep file sizes reasonable while not sacrificing image quality. I've found I can create excellent quality 8"x10" prints from a 2 meg image. (Punch below for an album shot with a 2 meg camera then reduced to 1 meg before posting)

2 - Zoom. "Digital" just marketing hype. All it does is enlarge the center of the image and discard the rest resulting in a lower quality image. Optical zoom however is good - the more zoom the better. Recommend a minimum of 3x optical zoom.

3 - Batteries. I prefer cameras run on AA batteries as they are cheap and available anywhere. Some cameras however require proprietary rechargeable battery packs. A spare pack may cost $30 - $60 or more, and may be difficult to locate. You cannot buy replacements at the corner store! I use NiMh rechargeables (about $10 a set of 4) in my cameras due to the volume of photos I shot.

3 - Storage media choice. Some of the newer media (Secure Digital, etc) cards are so small I find them difficult to handle. And the small cards are more easily lost. My personal preference is for the more substantial media like Compact Flash. Cards are less inexpensive. And they are physically large enough (about the size of a book of matches) to be easily handled, even with cold fingers. Functionally however no card media has an advantage over another - they all work the same.

4 - Memory card reader. Forget about the data cable packaged with the camera to download images. Buy a card reader and plug it into the USB on your computer. To download images you stick the memory card into in the reader. The card then appears as another drive on your computer - you can copy, move, etc images quickly and easily. A reader can be purchased for about $20 - and sometimes are given away free with the purchase of a large capacity memory card.

5 - Ergonomics. Smaller digicams have a "wow" factor due to their compactness. But I find them difficult to use - and impossible to operate when wearing gloves. Suggest you try a few different size cameras and see what feels best in your hands.

I've used many different brands of digicams. My personal preference is Olympus and Canon. (BTW I work at Kodak. However the competition I feel offers superior digital camera offerings than does my employer...)

Cameras I currently own:
-Kodak DC210+ (1 megapixel, 2x zoom - now relegated to a daughter at college)
-Canon A60 (2 meg, 3x zoom)
-Olympus C2100 (2 meg, 10x zoom)

Good luck and hope this helps... (Incidentally my 35mm SLR has sat unused on the shelf since I got my 2nd digital camera!)

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Frank

01-29-2004 09:48:53




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 Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to Bob M, 01-29-2004 08:32:46  
An alternative to the card reader is to get Adobe Photoshop ALBUM (for $50) and use the cable to link your camera to the computer. Album lets you download easily, sort & manage images, and even do some simple adjustment like cropping and red-eye elimination. You have to decide whether removal/reinsertion of memory card or connecting/disconnecting the cable is better for you.
My daughter has a 3.2 meg Kodak and is happy with it-- good point and shoot camera. I got a Nikon 4500 and am using it to make digital images of our 30+ years of 35mm slides.
So far so good, based on almost 1 month of experience!

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Steve W (NY)

01-29-2004 07:26:52




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I just bought a Canon A70, after a lot of reasearch. But there are a lot of good cameras in the 3-4 MP range. The reason I chose this one was that it is simple to use for my wife in aoutomatic mode, but has Shutter and Aperture priority modes and a fully manual mode for more difficult enviroments. If you are a photo geek and like to experiment, it has a lot of shooting control for such a cheap camera. Switch it to Auto mode, and it's ready for my wife, who just wants good pics.

One really cool feature it has is a nice preview mode for taking panoramic shots where it displays the edge of the previous shot so you can take the next shot where it needs to be. The software that comes with it stitches the pix back together. It is a really cool unexpected feature.

Another thing that is cool is the movie mode. With a 256 Meg memory chip, I've found I no longer use my camcorder. Short clips of my kids download right through the USB port for viewing on my PC, and of course they can be burned to DVD or VideoCd.

One thing that is important....get a camera that takes AA NiMH batteries. Some cameras take special batteries, and that is something you don't want.

Good Luck
Steve

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rustyfarmall

01-29-2004 08:28:01




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 Re: Re: digital cameras in reply to Steve W (NY), 01-29-2004 07:26:52  
I hear you on the batteries, I have a Kodak DX 3500, which uses a battery which apparently is specific to that model. The battery is quite pricey, and difficult to find. Other than that, it has been a very good camera.



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Jim in michigan

01-29-2004 07:19:07




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
we were at Walmart and they had this lil cheapo dig camera for 20 bucks,, I thought what the heck, 20 bucks and mayb snap a few pics,, well, you get what you pay for, its made by Argus and is pure junk,,,Jim



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ShepFL

01-29-2004 07:11:01




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Hey Thurlow -
Check out the link below. I have found this to be one the most comprehensive digital camera comparison sites.
HTH

PS - when you get one post up some pics to share



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Van(WA)

01-29-2004 07:05:09




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
Thurlow; Digital cameras are great! I would not buy one with less then 3 MP. Staples has advertised the Fujifilm A210, 3.2MP, with a free 64MB card, for $199.98, now for the MONEY that is hard to beat!! I have a Olympus, takes wonderful pictures, but----have had some problems, likes to eat up batteries, have had it to the factory for new chips. Kodak has a couple of models that are rated very high! I don't think you can go wrong on any of the leading brands, just depends how much money you want to spend and your use you have for the camera.Most people will buy more then they need.

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goofus fr L.A.

01-29-2004 06:56:45




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 Re: digital cameras in reply to thurlow, 01-29-2004 06:43:33  
I bought the cheapest Kodak, 2.0 and like it a lot. $ 99.00 at Office Depot. Tried to get my mother n law to chip in so I could buy the 6340, but she wouldn't budge. Maybe when I sell my pet rattlesnake! goof



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