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tom morstorf

02-03-2004 20:15:57




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Hi, does anyone have to pay personal property taxes on dozers or tractors who does not live on a farm? I have a old dozer that been sitting for over two years and now the county tells me that I have to pay personal property tax on it. I live in Kansas, and was just wondering what your thoughts were and how you are taxed in your state.




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jayhawkerRoy

02-04-2004 12:14:13




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
Appears you owe taxes on it. Suggest you go to>Link Scroll down to Schedule 6. There is a place to note that the machinery is not being used, or is inoperable, but still on your property. Presumably it is taxed at a lower rate than an operable piece of equipment. To get the correct valuation, I would fill out the form, especially Schedule 6, turn it in in-person and see if you can then talk with the county appraiser or his rep at that time, to ensure they understand the situation fully. If necessary, be prepared appeal the initial appraisal to ensure the dozer is valued correctly. The appraisal folks in my county are fairly understanding and are easy to talk to. However, all the stuff I have is operational so the tax valuations are all much clearer.">Link
Disclaimer: I am not a tax adviser, but am offering friendly advice only, no expertise implied.

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Joe Evans

02-04-2004 10:53:37




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
MY EARS ARE GOING TO BLEED! Just look at some of the key words in these prior posts: exemptions...by such and such a date...only if...property classification...long term holdings...rates.

Will this ever end? Will this ever get simplified? I know we're talking local taxes in this thread, but those are on top of the Federal Taxes, what...the size of that Tax Code register is 4" thick!!!

It enrages me that so many convoluted rules are in place. No one person can know all of this, and perhaps that is by design.

I heard some 30 or so IRS auditors went out into the field and gave tests to key Federal tax personnel in regional offices. I believe the test failure rate was over 75%.

I'll never see the day this madness comes to an end. How many productive hours are burned each year trying to comply with (or avoid)taxes...federal, state, city, school, property??

My old man busted his hump all his life and managed to squirrel away a little money for retirement. When he died part of that money was left to each of us six kids--the figure was not awesome but still good. So do you think we all took our bequeathed lump sums to buy a car, add on to the house, or buy some tuition credits. Noooo. Why? We'd see a net of 70% of that lump sum after taxes. And this was money Dad kept after he was taxed the first time. So I left my money in an IRA and will hold it to when I'm old and probably don't really need it. But I HAVE to take out (rules, you know) predetermined chunks of that money every year until I retire. Oh yes...that small chunk gets taxed, too.

A flat tax of 15% on everybody (no exemptions) would generate so darn many dollars to the Treasury that even drunken legislators couldn't spend it all. Well...that might be stretch.

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Davis in SC

02-05-2004 09:23:30




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 Re: Re: taxes in reply to Joe Evans, 02-04-2004 10:53:37  
Joe makes a good point about time spent complying with tax. I heard a few years ago that more man-hours are used by U.S businesses complying with IRS recordkeeping than all of the labor spent making every Car , truck, & airplane in this country.



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Brutus

02-04-2004 08:53:11




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
will it run? in michigan,tax day is dec 31,and equipment used in a non-farm business is taxable on that day. funny how equipment somehow disappears on that day. the former assessor told a story about a firm that would load up their crane on dec 30 and it wouldn't come home till jan 1.
-brutus-



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Irv

02-04-2004 10:56:54




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 Re: Re: taxes in reply to Brutus, 02-04-2004 08:53:11  
How do you feel about the property taxes? I have lived in my home for 19 years, and the taxes are pretty low. If I bought an equivelent house now, my taxes would go up 3 or 4 times. It seems to me that this will eventually effect a lot of people, and depress the real estate market. Of course ol' John engler is now a resident of Virginia, with a million dollar lobbying job with EDS. He aint around to feel the long term effect!! My 2c Irv

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Billyiron

02-04-2004 05:57:24




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
In nebraska they're thinking about taxing toilet paper, they want money from every A--hole,,



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Slowpoke

02-06-2004 00:43:47




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 Re: Re: taxes in reply to Billyiron, 02-04-2004 05:57:24  
It's taxed in California, along with everything else that's not "food", and even some of that's taxed.



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dhermesc

02-04-2004 05:50:22




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
I'm pretty sure in Kansas its based on the property's classification - not the owner's business. A tractor is ALWAYS farm machinery no matter how its used. How is a county going to get a retired farmer to pay property tax on all his equipment when he rents out all his land? A dozer is ALWAYS construction equipment even if its only used for farming.

I'm sure there is some crossover equipment like skid steers (I know Lyon Co says they are construction not agriculture) but that's when they start making rules up as they go.

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ShepFL

02-04-2004 05:33:19




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
Here in FL we get an Agricultural Exemption but you need to keep the land in agricultural use. To help offset this benefit the state taxes equipment a nominal amount. Not to bad a deal.

There is also a homestead exemption but that does not amount to much. Each county has its own land/house property tax percentage. Baker County is .09631%



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Gary

02-04-2004 04:07:54




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
Here in Indiana we pay taxes on EVERYTHING! A farmer pays an inventory tax on grain not sold after March 1st. There is a head tax on livestock, including poultry. Got to pay a tax on the dog too. No tax on the ole lady yet, as far as I know. License plates for a newer car or truck can sometimes be as much as $400 per year. Any farm machinery you would list on a depreciation schedule on your federal tax return is taxed as personal property by the county.

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KURT

02-04-2004 02:36:58




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
tell em you sold it and then put it in the garage. Property taxes on farm equipment? sounds like you need to do some revoteing in your area.



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John

02-03-2004 21:42:46




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
Here in Louisiana we pay property taxes on land and buildings assessed value. If the place is your primary residence you get a $75,000 homestead exemption off the top. The only taxes we pay for tractors; dozers; and cars for that matter is sales tax. BUT I feel we pay in other ways !!!!



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paul

02-03-2004 20:22:43




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 Re: taxes in reply to tom morstorf, 02-03-2004 20:15:57  
Here in Minnesota we pay property taxes on land & buildings with a foundation.

I've always been curious how your tax situation works, do they count every fork & spoon in your house to arrive at taxes, or is there some limit, like things under $1000 are not taxed?

--->Paul



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jayhawkerRoy

02-04-2004 12:19:04




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 Re: Re: taxes in reply to paul, 02-03-2004 20:22:43  
Twenty years ago or so in Missouri, they tried to tax rooms of furniture, but gave up because valuations were way too subjective. Now I think they stick with stuff that can be assigned book values from valuation data bases (farm equipment, motor vehicles, etc). On the other hand, here in Kansas, part of my home real estate valuation is how many toilets and how many sinks I have, in addition to how many bathrooms (full, half, 3/4, etc) I have. Some things improve, but we complicate things in other ways, I guess.

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Nebraska Cowman

02-04-2004 05:04:35




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 Re: Re: taxes in reply to paul, 02-03-2004 20:22:43  
I believe at one time they did count forks and spoons here in nebraska, it was called the "liars tax" now we pay on depreciated machines and cattle have been taken off.



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