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O/T Deer in veg garden

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JOHN (LA)

03-01-2004 03:19:51




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Well got some of my garden in last week end. Corn starting to sprout and a few tomato transplants. Then I go out today and notice I have been hit by the local deer gang. Sure hope they liked all my hard work. Guess the rye grass is getting bland and they wanted some variety.

Well any way..... Does any one know of one of grandma's recipes I can try to send them else where. I have tried one store bought stuff last year and it worked so so; but seems once it gets rained on it does not work any more. Have heard to lay dog hair in the garden. Any suggestions ????? ???

Thanks
PS: No guns. Them over populated greyhound size things aren't worth shooting.

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RayP(MI)

03-02-2004 16:31:47




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
I've had some success sprinkling dried blood meal (sold as rose food in garden stores) on the most precious plants. Usually they get into my green beans. Little corn may be more difficult. I use a empty container from grated parmisan cheese. Probably best if you put it on the plants early in the morning while the dew is still on, will help hold the blood meal. You'll have to put it on every few days, and after each rain.

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Bus Driver

03-02-2004 05:37:44




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
My mother-in-law, a real farm gal, will be 91 in May. She uses baler twine on slender posts about 4' tall and hangs aluminum pie pans from the twine. Does the same with the apple trees. Scares the deer because it makes it impossible for them to spot predators. Also, we get hair sweepings from the barber shop to spread around.



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Handyman

03-01-2004 20:16:57




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
I have heard that a couple bars of Irish Spring soap at each end of your garden makes the best repelent for unwanted critters



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JOHN (LA)

03-01-2004 18:28:49




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
Thank You Very Much

I think I will have to try some of these suggestions and see if any will work. Will try the hair and soap and if that does not work will have to resort to the fence.

I do have a hol-dem weed chopper but never really considered using it as a deer can jump a 6' fence. I do all so have some 48" 2x4 wire fence I could try double height. (96" tall) Boy I hate just thinking about putting in post that will hold that up.

For those jealous of me gardening..... ..... ..
Yes it is a little early but possible if you cover tomatoes with jugs on the cold nights. We are picking strawberries we planted last fall. Went to my sisters (40 miles south) in New Orleans today and the dogwoods were in full bloom and the oak trees full of leaf buds. The 98° and 95% humidity days are just weeks away and we will be house bound till cooler weather. Then all you snow birds can laugh at us.

JOHN

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VaTom

03-02-2004 05:24:31




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 18:28:49  
John, deer can easily jump a 6' fence, as you know, but will only do so when they can see a good place to land. If you arrange things so they can't, a shorter fence will work fine. We garden on the roof of our underground home and find a 4' fence, with no place for the deer to land safely, works fine. They really don't want to land on tomato cages and the like and won't jump.



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Leon R

03-01-2004 16:49:29




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
Well we still have snow on the garden here and we usually don't plant until the middle of may to ensure there is no more frost. I can have anywhere up to 30 head in my fields during the winter and when there is lots of snow they do love to nibble the pyramid cedars we have around the yard and they can trash them in a hurry. I used to wrap them with old sheets but when they got too big for that I started putting up an electric fence around them in the fall. That has allways worked until this year when the snow got too deep and they wern't making a very good ground with their feet so the fence didn't do a very good job and I had to wrap what was left of them. I have tried most of all the commercial poducts but they seen to think that stuff is OK. Probably just adds a little spice to their lunch. Short a putting up a tall fence there is not much you can do to prevent them from wreaking havoc in your yard.

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Les...fortunate

03-01-2004 11:52:42




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
The truth of the matter is that if there is a high population density of deer and they are hungry enough, nothing short of a physical barrier will keep them from getting what they want.



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Rick

03-01-2004 11:21:26




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
If you will sprinkle cayenne pepper around and a little on the plants every so often, they will stay away. They aren't big on spicy food, never seen a cajun deer before!



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T_Bone

03-01-2004 10:49:57




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
Hi john,

Some times it's best too work with them insted of trying to get rid of them. Plant what they like to eat away from your garden and call it your contribution to the wild animal world.

If that don't help then I would lean towards an electric fence.

T_Bone



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ShepFL

03-01-2004 16:45:11




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to T_Bone, 03-01-2004 10:49:57  
That's what I do - I plant the edges with cow peas so they won't walk into the garden and eat sweet peas etc.

I really don't have a problem with them getting corn but peas they CHOW DOWN!! Coons now are another issue in the corn - boys get $5 each coon from some folks down the road.



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Tim in OR

03-01-2004 10:34:05




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
what worked for me was, 2 rings of fence. one to keep the dogs out ofthe garden, the other to keep the dogsin the yard. The deer don't like the dogs. Tim in OR



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rhouston

03-01-2004 09:59:38




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
my solution was 6 foot fence. buried bottom 6-8 inches along with chicken wire around bottom for the smaller rabbits and chucks. had to shoot the rabbits and woodchucks for the first year until the ground along the fence bottom firmed up. no problems since then (about 5 years)



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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2004 08:54:11




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
John: The human urine will work but you must start before you plant the garden. Everytime you need a whizz go to garden. All these ideas will work if you plan and act in advance. Once deer get a taste, nothing will stop them. Deer also don't change diet a lot so your neighbors must act also. If your in a populated area, just let on your adjusting the carb on the tractor, and use it for a shield. Very important to get this urine direct from body to the soil.

I was telling this to a neighbor one evening at a social function. He is 73. He said," That is fine for you, but I barely make it down the hall in the morning."

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tractorhead in.

03-01-2004 14:52:18




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-01-2004 08:54:11  
Hugh; Last deer season out of bordem I got out of my deer stand and wized in a fresh deer scrape.Next morning there was another scrape next to the one I wized in.Ground was all tore up deer tracks everywhere I also heard wizen works in gardens, but I wonder if urin is just urin to a deer. jimmy



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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2004 16:02:02




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 Re: Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to tractorhead in., 03-01-2004 14:52:18  
jimmy: I don't think I have ever been exposed to the volumes of deer some of you guys particularly in the south have. Here in Canada deer spend a good portion of the year brousing mainly on dead forest vegetation. As a result they don't have the same degree of green leafy material in their diets as in warmer climate. We do know that deer up here don't change their diet unless forced to The deer here will go for apples, grasses and clovers. Unless they are forced to vegetables they will not bother. Having said that, if they do establish a taste for the vegetable garden, look out. I would never plant my garden near apple trees. I never leave unharvested produce in the garden. I also don't know of another garden within 3 miles. We are a thinly populated country up here, as such the deer don't really need to bother with us. Probably my task is much easier than most.

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Ray

03-01-2004 08:15:37




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
Gardening! Wow, even here in Ca, I can't think of it for another month. Regarding deer, urine diluted with water will work for a few days, but doesn't last. I just don't have the production I need and it is kind of inconvenient and messy to collect! If you have a cooperative Mountain Lion, I hear that works better. My local lions aren't on speaking terms with me. I've used an egg blended in a quart of water, with a couple drops of detergent, sprayed on the plants. It lasts longer but a good rain will still wash it off. Others have used fish emulsion, diluted and sprayed. Haven't tried it myself. Seems like any smelly animal product puts them off. Hair only works for a fairly short while, the deer get used to it and must hold their noses while chowing down. 8' of wire mesh and another strand of wire on top is the only solution that seems permanent for me. Good luck! Ray

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Larry Dorman

03-01-2004 08:49:02




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to Ray, 03-01-2004 08:15:37  
Concerning deer in gardens: I recently did a literature search on the subject, since having the same problems. Cornell University has an excellent paper on this subject. Type in deer control methods and do a google search. Lot of information. The most mentioned products are egg deraviitives, and particularly rotten eggs. Spray these maerials around the garden's perimeter every few days Good luck.

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Bob

03-01-2004 07:28:29




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
third party image

What do you recommend for moose eating bushes by my deck???



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Weatherby

03-01-2004 12:32:35




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to Bob, 03-01-2004 07:28:29  
300 mag



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Jared in VT

03-01-2004 07:18:14




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
John (LA) It knock's me out that you folks are gardening. I just skied over my garden on two feet of crusty snow. Good for you. We have used both human and dog hair. Pick it up at the barbers and dog groomers. Human hair biodegrades quickly, so you'll have to watch that and reapply. Dog hair may last the season if you apply it in big clumps. Ivory soap is good too. Get the little hotel bars, drill a hole and string them up on stakes around the garden. Wire is good, but even a tiny whitetail can jump 6'. Good luck, Jared

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tractorhead

03-01-2004 06:25:28




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
John; I tryed many em all, what works best for me is electric fence, top wire for deer, low wire for coon, goog luck, let us know how you make out....jimmy



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rustyfarmall

03-01-2004 08:05:42




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to tractorhead, 03-01-2004 06:25:28  
I also have tried just about everything anyone ever mentioned. The absolute only sure fire, works everytime, method is an electric fence.



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Jay

03-01-2004 06:14:56




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
I haven't tried these, but I've heard human hair and human urine works. Personally, Mama would shoot me if I peed in the garden, so I would have to just try the hair.



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Darren in TN

03-01-2004 06:04:45




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  

The light and radio idea sounds pretty good to me, but I'll bet the raccoons won't be convinced for very long (if they find your corn.) Garden stores sell motion detectors that hook up to a hose and spray the garden when something comes in, but I'm guessing that would work better on cats than on deer. I'd go with the hot wires-- a couple of t-posts and a spool of wire wll do wonders if you already have a fence charger. Good luck!

Darren

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old fashioned farmer

03-01-2004 05:07:42




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
Howdy,

We used a light out in the garden and an a.m. radio. We got some of the best sweet corn we've had in years. Apparently the deer don't like late night talk radio. Thanks WLW cincinnati. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer



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Jimmy King

03-01-2004 05:42:12




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 Re: Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to old fashioned farmer, 03-01-2004 05:07:42  
Have you e-mailed the truckin bozo and told him the deer don't like to listen to him.



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Van in AR

03-01-2004 04:19:27




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 Re: O/T Deer in veg garden in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-01-2004 03:19:51  
Yes they are worth shooting, and very tasty too. Stayed in La for 12 years, shot a few of those little deer. They eat your garden, you eat them. Could put up a couple of hot wires
Van



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