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stan

03-03-2004 14:51:12

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My Father Farmed all his life, in the same town he was born in. He passed away about 12 years ago. We have a lot of his old tractors and equipement. We lived in the country, until the city move to us. Now we are in the city. Here's the problem we got a letter from the city saying, now we have to remove all the old rusted stuff. Rolls of barbed wire wood from cattel corrals. and the list goes on. We live in California. Is there a Grandfather clause saying since we were already here before the city moved in on us. We can keep things as there were. I realize each state is different, but maybe someone form Calif. can answer my question. On top of all that Our 86 year old mother is in the hospital with a broken hip and shoulder. When it rains it pours.Thanks, Stan

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bob

03-03-2004 21:32:05

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

most states have a right to farm law that says no law, rule or regulation may be interpreted so as to interfere with farming. These were enacted by state legislatures to keep city & county boards from each defining differently. Your state Farm Bureau or Dept. of Ag. will know if you have this law.

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Pete-el cajon

03-03-2004 21:27:12

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

stan, sorry to hear about your mother. Was your property annexed to Encinitas? If so, maybe your county supervisor (Slater?) would know if there was a grandfather clause or agreement with the county about taking over agricultural land. Good luck, hope to see you at the Vista show.
Pete

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stan

03-04-2004 14:11:04

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Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to Pete-el cajon, 03-03-2004 21:27:12

Pete thanks for the info on supervisor SlaterI have a call in to her now,may help. If I need to get rid of stuff, at least I will have a decision on what to keep. When a fire goes through a area like the one in San Diego you dont get much of chance, like what happened to you. Hope the rebuilding is going ok. Stan

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kyhayman

03-03-2004 20:02:33

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

Stan,

I wish you the best, wish I had some silver bullet for you but I dont. It's a shame.

Just a couple of general comments to the whole issue though. We have got to all band together. Farm Bureau is not just an insurance company, the insurance is a service of the organization, I heard the other night from a couple of legislators that KFB was their most feared lobbying group. It doesnt have to be FB either, the are other organizations that have political clout NFO and CFA and others, I happen to choose FB because I support more of their policies and politics, and I dont even have insurance with them.

The other is I wish ag folks would get involved with local governance. 10 years ago our county tried to pass a county solid waste law that banned the disposal of brush and tree limbs anywhere but a landfill. Taken literally no compost piles, I happend to be reading the legal notices in the paper (only section in the bathroom :-) and saw it, raised holy he** at the next fiscal court meetign and they said we would never apply it to farmers, my reply was you might not but thats what the law from now on will read. They everyone admitted they hadnt read the ordinance.

I grew up with my dad fighting for causes he didnt have a stake in. He was one of the most vocal lobbiest against stricter state CAFO regulations for hogs than federal and we never had hogs. The reason was if all of us in ag dont stand together we will be picked off one by one.

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Slowpoke

03-04-2004 22:41:09

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Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to kyhayman, 03-03-2004 20:02:33

Well, now the cities don't want anything in the landfill. All cuttings and green stuff goes in a 75 gallon tote for $1/month, or it can be placed in the street (free?) for weekly pickup by a high speed John Deere with a large front end grabber. But only a burning permit is needed in the ag counties for orchard waste in Northern California. So far.

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Tony

03-03-2004 18:15:21

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

tell the city people, if they don't like it, move back to the city!!!!! !

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Sid

03-03-2004 16:35:03

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

I do not know but good luck.

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Jonathan

03-03-2004 15:52:05

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

To me thats so stupid!, I beleive that if you bought the land and pay the taxes, you should be able to have all the stuff you want on it, meaning if you wished to have 20 junk cars around your house (or tractors etc...), then you should be able to have them. I don't think its right even for a minute that other people should have a say in what you can own, well, I would understand like a sawmill or something thats going to be right near the nighbors house or something like that, but not old farm stuff like in your case. I don't think people should really have a say in how your place looks. I'd tell them if they don't like how it looks, then look the other way when they drive by.

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MapleStone

03-04-2004 08:05:30

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Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to Jonathan, 03-03-2004 15:52:05

Jonathan,

Just to play devil's advocate here, put yourself on the other side of the fence. While I do agree that people should be able to live and do with their property as they wish they should not be allowed to collect junk like "20 junk cars" in an untidy manner that will negatively affect you and you property. I you owned next to a place that suddenly looked like a trash heap/junk yard your property value will drop and other problems may arrise like rodents. If you want "20 junk cars" then provide a clean neat compound for them to be put in, not just scattered all over your yard. And if you do not do this then the city should, by all means, step in.

The original poster is in a slightly different situation. He had and existing propery that other people have now moved close to. As long as the condition of the place is not such that it is negatively affecting them then he should be left alone.

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jdemaris

03-03-2004 15:14:37

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Re: Tractor Storage in reply to stan, 03-03-2004 14:51:12

I'm in central New York State and haven't been to California since 1969. It would behoove you to get a copy of your town or city's land use regulations or zoning laws and read them carefully. We've got similar nonsense going on here. 25 years ago this was a farming community. Now there are 2-3 farms left and they'll be gone soon. We're still rural in apearance, but the city people are coming in droves, buying up the property, and building new houses. So, land regs. are being rewritten to keep them happy. Our town is split into districts, each one having certain restrictions. Hamlet, Light District, Water District, Historic District, Agricultural, etc. A friend of mine has a dairy farm that's in the Hamlet and the land-use regs. say farming is not allowed. But, it goes on to say that farms are grandfathered in unless such activity ceases for one year. So . . . if he gets sick and stops milking cows for a year, he's screwed. Town is also writing "junk laws" to apply to all the districts. This with the intention to get rid of "unsighlty tractors and cars" and such. The first such law they wrote read "no unregistered motor vehicles allowed" but that went over like a fart in church. Seems it could be applied to lawn mowers and farm tractors - and you don't see too many of them that are registered. We'll see what happens. I recently heard complaints about cow-crap on the road - guess soon the Holsteins will being wearing big diapers. Again, read your regs. carefully. To be legally enforceble, words should be defined within the document, and if not, they take on their everyday meaning. So, if they say no "junk", they have to define junk. If they they no "tractors" they have to define tractor. It's an important point. One of our laws for the hamlet (i.e. village) states that "agriculture" is not allowed, and they don't define agriculture. When they tried to enforce it, they discovered that cats and dogs are controlled by NYS Agriculure and Markets - so cats and dogs are not allowed. Also, what's the difference from mowing your "lawn" or cutting "hay." I want to escape and maybe live one more place in my lifetime that doesn't get developed - but I don't know where to go.

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Farmered

03-04-2004 06:45:48

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Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to jdemaris, 03-03-2004 15:14:37

Cow crap on the road!!!?? Here in Northern Colorado US 85 is the main route for semis hauling cattle from the pastures in Montana and Wyoming to the huge feedlots (100,000 head capacity) around Greeley. The pavement is green on the curves where centrifugal force causes the slop in the bottom of those trailers to flow out.
In our dry climate the stuff dries up pretty fast or those curves could get pretty slippery. NO PASSING signs aren't necessary, eveybody knows better. Keep your windows rolled up! Tom T. Hall's words "it's getting pretty intense up here" are soo true around those cattle convoys. Ed

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Frank M.

03-04-2004 19:33:55

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Re: Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to Farmered, 03-04-2004 06:45:48

I think you mean C.W. McCall

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Farmered

03-05-2004 03:56:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to Frank M., 03-04-2004 19:33:55

I stand corrected, senior moment you know. Ed

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Pitch

03-03-2004 17:32:52

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Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to jdemaris, 03-03-2004 15:14:37

Where in Central NY are you? I am in Seneca County and the entire county is an ag district as is the neighboring Tompkins, Schuyler and Cayuga counties. As long as you practice generally accepted ag practices there is nothing anyone can say to you about farming operations.

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jdemaris

03-03-2004 19:12:13

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Re: Re: Re: Tractor Storage in reply to Pitch, 03-03-2004 17:32:52

Otsego County near Cooperstown, Oneonta, Cobleskill, etc. The term "agricultural district" can mean different things with different implications. The County designates ag. districts in towns, but they don't always agree with what the town tax assessor designates as an ag. district, and the town board can determin a third ag. district for the purpose of regulating land use. It's all quite convoluted.

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