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JohnDeereBMan

03-04-2004 13:13:33




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I am a young farmer, and i need a little advice. I am starting to accumulate equipment. In the local farm paper (lancaster farmer in pa) Wineland equipment is selling a 1991 499 nh haybine for 2500. It was previously priced at a much higher price, but i assume they are reducing thier inventory. My question is what are the main advantages of a discbine over a haybine. At prices like that for a 12 ft center pivot haybine, i could buy two and have money left over for parts, in comparison to a used 12ft Discbine. I was wondering if a 4420 JD combine could carry a 6 row corn head. I appreciate any advice that you guys give me, thank you very much.

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Patrick O. Powell

06-14-2006 20:43:51




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I have a problem with a 408 New Holland Discbine. I have hit something that has warped a disc on the cutter bar that carries the blades.
If anyone out there has a salvaged 408/411 I would like to talk to them about buying some parts. E mail me at above address and we can talk about prices. Thanks. POP



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Henry McMillan

03-16-2007 08:27:48




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to Patrick O. Powell, 06-14-2006 20:43:51  
I have a New Holland 411 discbind for sale. It needs rims, tires, an end spring, and the bottom roller is missing some rubber. I had planned on rebuilding it, but have found no time to work on it.



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4386ECILL

03-05-2004 12:16:04




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
In the late '70's my Dad ran a 4400D with a 6r head.

He had to watch his speed, though.



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TW

03-05-2004 00:42:10




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I have run a Kuhn 9' discbine for 5 yr & don't think I'll ever go back to a sickle machine. I bought mine used for 2500 & the only repairs {other than knives} has been 2 pto shafts the first year. Solved that with a shaft off a 900 new holland chopper. I bought it to cut canary grass that when it is standing is around 5' tall & when it starts to fall down is 1 big tangled mess. I can cut this stuff at 6 mph all day & never plug up. When I cut alfalfa I can usually do first crop at 7mph & 2nd & later crops are in road gear if the field is big & smooth enough. Another thing to consider is if you have hay that goes down flat you can cut it one way & get it all picked up while going at almost road speed.

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Larry NE IL

03-04-2004 20:13:30




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I can't help you with the haybine, but as far as the 4420 goes, forget it. I don't think it has enough poop to even lift a 6 row head. Stay with the 4 row.
Every machine is built and engineered for a specific duty. Even if you could rig a 6 row to your 4420, you would have to go so slow that you would be faster with the 4 row!
As a good rule of thumb, with the machine your on and the gear your in, that machine should be able to accellerate when you add more throttle. If it dosen't, shift down or get a bigger one 'cause you are only asking for trouble. Good luck, Larry NE IL

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Richard Turner

03-04-2004 16:58:02




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I'm still using a NH 461 First 9'cut they made. Dad bought a used 488 last year but I can still cut faster than him. The reason i I'm using the cutter guards off the old Ford Haymowers. they line up almost perfect ( just have to chamfer the back edge ) and the replacable ledger plates last a lot longer than those new two up guards. If you cant salvedge any NH is castin new ones but they are a bit pricy.
Also Mahe sure all the guards are in a straight line. We made a bender bar for in field adjustment. Pry on them do not hit them with a sledge. With this cutting system you should see a 1.5-2 mph improvement. Any faster than that and the crusher rollers can't keep up abd you might as well just use a straight mower.

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Jonathan

03-04-2004 16:18:40




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I have used both a haybine and a disc bine, and the biggest difference between the two is cutting speed. A disc bine with nice sharp blades will do an excellent job practically in road gear if conditions allow, but for only 5 acres, the price of a disc bine wouldn't be justifiable. There are lots of old haybines all over the place and if you keep a look out for one, you will find one cheap somewheres. If you were willing to settle for a shorter cutting width, you should be able to pick up a useable haybine for as little as $200. But be careful, there are alot of junker haybines out there that people try to dump at auctions, be sure that all the parts and pieces are there and are in good shape, also, most rolls (conditioning rolls) are very expensive, so I would reccomend not buying one that needs rolls. Look it over really good, and I find that bringing another person helps, because they may spot something you might miss. Also, you might ask the seller if you could try it on their tractor (or maybe yours?) to make sure that it is in working order.
hope this helps,
Jonathan

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Rob

03-04-2004 16:10:07




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I would rather use a haybine for the 100 acres a year I cut, but I could see someone wanting a discbine if they were going to run a lot more acres. The haybine will leave a fluffier swath for drying, the discbine will leave a flat, matted down swath that has to be tedded. Also the haybine does a better job cutting, and if you use stub guards you can cut anything with it that you can cut with a discbine, maybe just a little slower.

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JW

03-04-2004 15:24:05




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
I'm in the same boat as you. Its not easy. Depending on how much hay you have I'b be tempted to go with the haybine and save some money. I myself only have about 5 acres of hay so I get by with a 37 JD sickle mower. I've got about 120 acres of corn and 140 acres of beans as well as 20 acres of wheat so I've been wondering about a 4420 myself. What I've been told is to stay with a four row head but dad always thought his 4400 could take 6 never tried it though.

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Chris Brown

03-04-2004 18:30:18




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 Re: Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing in reply to JW, 03-04-2004 15:24:05  
My neighbor has a 6600 with a 6 row head. His 6600 does'nt look much bigger than the 4400 to me.I've never seen them side by side.



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Gary in TX

03-04-2004 14:55:55




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
If the wobble box(es) are good and the rollers are good on the 499, thats not a bad price for around here in North Central Texas. Due to the poor service at our local New Holland dealer and the distance to the others I may be going full Green on my equipment. The only red stuff I'm running right now is 2 model 56 NH rakes, both of them going through the painy shop right now and one gettin all new tine bar bearings and new tires. I do have a 469 haybine as well and have cut more acres of hay with it than I would like to admit too. As far as disc over sickle, both have their place but personally I would rather run a sickle, to me anyway it just leaves a nicer cut. Your cutting the hay instead of hacking it off with a spinning blade. On the other hand a disc is about all you can cut some grass with. Can't help ya any on the combine question much, but just guessing I would say a 4 or 5 row head would as much as the ole girl would want, any bigger go to a 6620 or 6600. Hope these 2 cents worth is helpfull,
Gary

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Scotty

03-04-2004 13:46:34




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
A JD "4420" as far as I know is not a good match for a 6RN corn head; BUT I dont know the conditions You are operating in! I personally have never seen one paired that way. Maybe You cant even match them up! JD says the largest head they were selling with them was a 5 row wide head! Good Luck!!!



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Shane

03-04-2004 13:19:04




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 Re: Young farmer needs advice with purchasing equi in reply to JohnDeereBMan, 03-04-2004 13:13:33  
Well there really is no comparison between a discbine and regular haybine! A discbine can handle what ever you throw at it (tall, tangled, laying down, or wet it doesn't care a bit!) as long as the horse is a belgium or bigger. We can run upto 8mph with a 140 hp tractor in second and third cutting. There is hardly any wear items other than the knives (which are easy to change and cheap!) and maybe the skid shoes. On the other hand these things are more expensive to buy. Depends on how many acres you will farm... maybe you could get a 9' discbine, would still be much faster than the 12' haybine.

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