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Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled

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Sam Sapienza

03-23-2004 19:54:24




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Didn't happen to me, but I was wondering if it ever does happen? I've learned about some attempted fraud happening on E-bay tractor sales, so it got me to thinking. I just committed a hauler I met on the phone to pick up a tractor I bought over the phone and across the country. Once the seller has my money and gives tractor to hauler, what if the hauler just high tails it and I never hear from him again? I'm sure this is not the case, and my hauler certainly sounded trustworthy. Do you think he would be offended if I asked seller to get a photo copy of his driver's license? Jot down license plate number? I've bought cars before and had them shipped cross country sight unseen without ever having a problem, but I've never bought something as expensive as this recent tractor. Just curious - what do other's do?

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kyhayman

03-24-2004 18:15:51




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 Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to Sam Sapienza, 03-23-2004 19:54:24  
You have a lot of advice that sounds like it is all legal and proper. Realistically, all I've ever done is bind insurance on anything I buy (like a tractor) as soon as I buy it. If it gets stolen in transit (by the shipper or anyone else) you at least get your $$ back.



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john

03-24-2004 11:31:08




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 Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to Sam Sapienza, 03-23-2004 19:54:24  
Sorry for being so long..... ..but..... .....
Theft of merchandise in shipment happens more than one wants to consider. Their are very common practices followed to protect all parties when trip leasing a load. These practices are often over looked by one time sellers and part time haulers because it questions your honesty and they just do not know how to do it and protect themselves.
As the buyer your job is to contract with a bonded; insured and DOT licensed broker. In your case you are acting as the broker so you need to take on his job. This is sometimes done to save cost but opens up your question and concerns and really opens the question who's authority you are hauling under since you are not DOT licensed.

Things you should do in your case. Contact your hauler and ask for a copy of his truck and cargo insurance. Call his insurance agent and check coverage's out. He NEEDS cargo insurance because truck insurance will NOT cover your tractor in a accident.
You will want a copy of the drivers license and truck/trailer registration. This will give you info on both driver and truck owner. Ask about payment arrangements. It is common to pay 50% on pickup but not all ways asked for.
When driver arrives for pickup. Have the seller call you and verify that the copy you have of the drivers license and truck registration match the driver and truck picking up the load. Have the seller fill out a bill of lading(available at any truck stop) noting any info needed and noting the condition of the tractor. This is where detailed pictures are good should any discrepancies come up. The trucker should really insist on this to protect him self also. Have the driver sign the bill of lading and have seller fax/mail you a copy and give a copy to the driver. When he arrives you will sign his copy agreeing on receiving in said condition thus freeing him. If it does not arrive then you have a the copy of BOL the seller sent you where he picked up said tractor and you would just report stolen and contact his insurance company for payment.

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Dan

03-24-2004 08:04:25




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 Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to Sam Sapienza, 03-23-2004 19:54:24  
That is why you use a Bonded hauler and agree to pay half down, and half on delivery.

Good luck,
Dan



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BB

03-24-2004 04:48:08




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 Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to Sam Sapienza, 03-23-2004 19:54:24  
You don't say if he is an independent hauler or works for a company. I guess with all the identity theft, I would be leary of giving a copy of my DL to someone I did not know. But I would ask for some kind of documentation from him as assurance that he will deliver as promised.



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MapleStone

03-24-2004 08:35:28




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 Re: Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to BB, 03-24-2004 04:48:08  
Identity Theft???

When you test drive a car you have to give a photocopy of your licence. Your licence is only a very small part of you identity.



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BB

03-24-2004 09:51:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to MapleStone, 03-24-2004 08:35:28  
There is a big difference between an auto dealership and an unknown voice over the phone.



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john

03-24-2004 10:02:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to BB, 03-24-2004 09:51:10  
Yes but it is a very common pratice to give a copy of your licence and truck regestration when trip leasing a load.



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Ray,IN

03-23-2004 22:03:10




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 Re: Tractor Stolen While Being Hauled in reply to Sam Sapienza, 03-23-2004 19:54:24  
Any reputable commerical hauler will not be offended by such requests. It's your money and merchandise, have you obtained a written hauling contract yet specifying what services you are getting, when delivery is accomplished, where the merchandise is to be delivered, who insures the tractor? Request a contract by fax with the haulers signature to accompany the faxed license information and DOT registration number. That's my method for such transactions.

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