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Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol

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Rauville

04-04-2004 21:25:17




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This really has nothing to do with tractors, other than the fact that one is in the story. This afternoon on my way home from town, I was stopped at a intersection, and watched a older semi and flat bed trailer loaded with what appeared to be a old rusted TD24 crawler turn onto the highway in front of me. As he went around the corner, I could see that the crawler was not chained or blocked at either end. Plus, it appeared that it had a 10' wide blade that extended beyond each side of the trailer deck. I was still watching and wondering how he could be hauling that load without tie downs, or wide load signs...when 2 State Highway Patrol cruisers went around me. OK!...I thought, that guy is in for some explaining! Wrong, the 2 Patrol cars both turned into the snack shop. I continued to follow the truck for 7 miles, and couldn't keep up with him doing 65mph (the truck speed limit on this highway is 40mph due to spring weight restrictions). Good grief...and I worry when I haul my Cub that I'm going to get caught doing something wrong! I guess just make sure that you haul during lunch breaks.

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Wayne

04-05-2004 21:07:45




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Doing field service on equipment, as well as simply doing alot of driving, I see dangerous things done all the time, as well as seeing cops on the road drive right by obvious, serious violations. Like many posts seemed to agtree most are too busy writing the easy tickets for seatbelt violations than actually being a police officer and trying to keep the roads safe for everybody as opposed to keeping you (and your insurance company I suppose) safe from you. Heck even if it isn't "their job" to stop the guy they are "law enforcement" and they do have radios to notify the right "law enforcement" officer to do what they can't. As far as binding a load, I don't care if it's legal to haul a piece of equipment not bound down, it's just plain stupid and dangerous. Just because a vehicle is tracked doesn't mean it won't move on a trailer, in fact it's more likely to move than a wheeled vehicle. The tracks are good in soft ground where they can distrubute the weight over the full pad and get a bite with the grousers. When sitting on a trailer the only point of contact is on the grousers. A wheeled vehicle is gonna have a much larger amount of material in contact with the bed of the trailer than the crawler, as well as having a rubber surface that at is gonna have a larger holding power from friction than a small sliver of metsl. Imagine the crawler setting there, in effect it's just setting on a bunch of little rails,just like a person on ice skates, just waiting for the one little thing that makes it start shifting. Once it does, it's all over but the shouting, and hopefully nobody gets injured. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but in the end it's not really a matter of what's legal or illegal, it's a matter of what is safe for the other vehicles that are sharing the road...Just my .02

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roger

04-05-2004 18:16:31




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
local construction company has older trucks, not shiny but all the lights work and all paperwork is current. While being inspected one day by an Iowa DOT officer, a ratty looking truck hauling a beat up dozer went by. When the guy asked why the officer wasn't stopping guys like that the response was " people with equipment like that don't have any money to pay tickets with its easier to get money out of a reputable company with decent equipment". BUT one work of caution if you are in central Iowa and the "Blond Diesel Bitch" stops you, she will inspect your vehicle until she finds something.regardless how nitpicky it is with her everyone gets a ticket.

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RayP(MI)

04-05-2004 18:15:15




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Yes, accidents do happen from tracked vehicles falling off trailers. We had one recently where a trucker noticed something amiss in his mirrors, and pulled off the road to check it. As he walked beside the load, something shifted, and he got trapped under his load. Miraculously, he wasn't hurt seriously. I don't know what you'd use to tie down a load like that, but it must be mighty strong!



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thurlow

04-05-2004 10:04:02




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Not defending either the patrolmen or the guy hauling the dozer, but..... ..may depend on what is "customary" in your area. Locally, none of the the guys with tracked equipment chain it down when moving a few miles within the community. They may be (probably are) breaking the law and "you" might not be comfortable being on the same road with them, but in watching them do this for 50 plus years, I've never heard of an accident. I know the "hauling Nazis" as someone (kyhayman??) has termed them will have a conniption over this..... .

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Jonathan

04-05-2004 07:52:22




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
It could be the police didn't happen to notice it, and like somebody else had said, maybe they were on their lunch break and didn't want to spend an hour or two filling out tickits and paperwork. I wouldn't be surprized if they didn't radio to another unit further down the road and tell them about it. I'm willing to bet he problably wouldn't get away with it here in Vermont especially if he had to go very far. Somebody problably would have had better luck before the state put alot of extra DMV police out on the interstate, and state police keep a good watch on it as well. Even our game wardens have full authority to write traffic tickets. I remember back in high school hearing about a couple of knuckle heads who thought it would be funny to peel out around a corner in front of a game warden, and weren't they surprized when the blue lights came on, and they recieved a ticket from him. Game wardens don't spend much time with traffic stuff though, they are mainly for wildlife laws and chasing unregistered four wheelers, but I just thought I'd metion game warden because they CAN write traffic tickets.
I think the police do a good job, I mean sure they bother the average joe every now and then, but just try to envision what society would be like if the police truely did nothing..... really scary thought isn't it?.

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john in la

04-05-2004 06:14:43




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Did you ever stop to consider that these cops while state troopers may not be DOT certified and do not even give DOT volitions a second look. While you noticed this truck because it had equipment on it how many do you think pass you every day that you are busy doing or thinking of some thing else that you do not notice the violation.
Every one on the road has been in violation at one time or the other even you and weren't you glad the cop was busy doing some thing else.

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Chris-se-ILL

04-05-2004 05:37:06




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Did you have a cell phone? Did you call the police to report the trucker?

Ya know, it is easy to bash cops and law-enforcement. I see/hear it a lot. But, "on the other side of the coin" you don't know what the circumstances are/were at the time of the cops taking a break for lunch or dinner.

I know several folks that work as officers. Just like truckers, farmers, mechanics, cops, lawyers, "whatever"... there are folks that do a good job and there are folks that slack off! A police officer can work an 8 to 10 hour shift and if he makes an arrest in the last hour or so he can be filling out paperwork for an additional hour or two. Also, many officers drive the police cars home {many departments encourage officers to do so}. The cops could have been off duty. Other uses for the cars, is to transport prisoners to correctional institutes at some distance from their precinct.

You just don't know what was the situation with the officers! I have driven semi for many years, and never been hassled by police officers {even got pulled over by DOT in INDIANA, but got off with no more than a warning}. I have hauled oversized loads and not been hassled.

I know that when police do their job... folks complain... until a police officer doesn't do his job... then folks complain!

Next time you see a law breaker phone it in! I have made many phone calls to police from my car/pickup truck/semi. They always seem appreaciative for the info.

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Rauville

04-05-2004 07:03:11




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 Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 04-05-2004 05:37:06  
Don't take my story wrong; I am not bashing the Patrolmen. I have no idea what their situation was. Maybe they were responding to a call at the Pizza / Donut Shop for all I know. I was struck by the irony of watching what I viewed as violations roll past me (for all I know, maybe the trucker was perfectly legal), while I sweat hauling my little tractors a few miles at a time!

As far as a cell phone; no, I didn't have one, but I assume that the Officers maybe did. And perhaps the trucker got pulled over farther up the road.

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rustyfarmall

04-05-2004 06:11:54




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 Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 04-05-2004 05:37:06  
Chris,S.E. Ill.,I read this post earlier. and after thinking about it for awhile, decided that I needed to make some kind of comment in favor of the law enforcement officers, but after reading your comments I decided that you pretty much said it all. These guys who are constantly bashing officers don't know the whole story.



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Mike

04-05-2004 04:53:21




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
You ought to come to Maryland. The state is so broke the cops will write a ticket for anything just to get the money. They would have written enough tickets on that guy to set aside a good part of the state debt. One of our local sheriff's deputies was bragging in the diner the other morning that he wrote 31 seat belt tickets ($25 per)in 6 hours. They won't do anything about he drugs or crime because that doesn't bring any quick money in,but don't drive 2 mph over the limit without a seatbelt,cause thats where the money is.

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pj

04-06-2004 09:37:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Mike (WA), 04-05-2004 08:15:44  
Went to south texas this winter,coming back I got a seatbelt ticket.I was between houston and beaumont.That ticket cost $135 bucks everything is big in texas you know.As mentioned before it is nothing more than a legal scam.



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rustyfarmall

04-05-2004 06:15:35




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 Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Mike, 04-05-2004 04:53:21  
How do you know that they are not doing anything about the drugs? Most drug ring investigations are kept very quiet, you won't know anything about it until after the bust.



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Griff in Ont.

04-05-2004 04:37:25




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Yup, somethings the law dose can be questionable. Like this one time, when I put my tractor into 3rd gear (I have no clue how fast it goes) on the road, I once passed a Buick. But when I had my tractor wound up in 3rd gear, all these speeders that must have been going (Im Canadian so I am not too sure on miles an hour so bear with me) about 40 in a 20 zone. (80km/h in a 50km/h zone), and yet a cop pulls out from no where and says I was holding up traffic. Maybe my 2 cense a'int that important to you, but at the time it was important to me!

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Chris Brown

04-05-2004 04:45:50




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 Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Griff in Ont., 04-05-2004 04:37:25  
I had an @sshole run me off the road while I was moving the mowerconditioner between farms,I went down the ditch and back up over a culvert and bent the tongue . I "carry" now,if ya know what I mean. I made a padded shotgun bracket on the left fender.. I made a police report on the incedent and the cops acted like I was at fault because I was going slow. I have no love for our local police dept.

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Alberta Mike

04-05-2004 03:41:55




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
Up here in the criminals haven, a guy sometimes doesn't blame the police officers for ignoring stuff (not to say the crawler story should have been ignored). There are some very serious crimes that seem to go unpunished because of some loophole in the law or perhaps because of the fact that the perpetrator was abused as a child, etc. No excuse for ignoring the stuff but you wonder sometimes about the state of our judicial system, in Canada at least.

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fox

04-05-2004 04:47:43




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 Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Alberta Mike, 04-05-2004 03:41:55  
You don't know the whole story.Just maybe they had a hot lead on a ' seat belt violator'. These are the worst offenders. That truck was just driving down the road and must have had his belt on.
some senior citizen probably had just got in their car to go to the pharmacy and forgot the belt.
End of rant!



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Joe Citizen

04-05-2004 01:56:54




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
It makes me sick to see cops slacking off...sitting around coffee shops, standing around gas stations and doing nothing in general. Our tax dollars at work. One thing that really burns me too is to see cops speeding and driving recklessly because they can, and get little or no reprimand.



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George

04-04-2004 23:13:16




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
It amazes me how some truckers (and tractor haulers) fail to properly secure loads. The other day, I was behind a flatbed semi loaded with 6' lengths of 6' diameter concrete culverts and only one chain over the top of them to secure the whole load. Were that chain to break, those things would crush cars. Needless to say I took another route.



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Burrhead

04-04-2004 22:15:46




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 Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Rauville, 04-04-2004 21:25:17  
you need to remember them 2 cops are America's Heroes. They have probly been busy on Fatherland Security and had not eaten in 2-3 days and you just saw them at a bad time.



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Bret

04-11-2004 04:39:20




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 Re: Re: Highway Patrol on Donut Patrol in reply to Burrhead, 04-04-2004 22:15:46  
Several of the comments here remind me of why I can't wait to retire from being a donut eating slacker who never does a darn thing except write YOU for something nobody else gets a ticket for. I know I have no right to respond, even though I spent the last 17 years as a cop, even though I spent months in NYC, starting 9/11/01 in case you can't figure it out, and even though I bear the scars of the job. Nope, I'm just the biggest jerk on the road who's out to get YOU, not the other guy. Thanks to those who can see beyond the end of their nose.

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