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stan

04-23-2004 22:06:21




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What is necessary to be able to pull a fuel tank. I have a chance to get a smal tank on wheels maybe 250 gal. It is not licensed, and has never been. If I remove the wheels and put it in my pickup bed is that better? The price is not bad (Free)Any thoughts? Stan




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fixerupper

04-24-2004 19:29:15




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
john in la, I just renewed my hazmat and in the study book I have (Iowa), fuel oil has no class and is called a combustible liquid, even though it sure seems flammable to me. We were stopped at a DOT roadside check in Colorado a couple of years ago and the officer asked the driver of the pickup that was pulling our 500 gal diesel tank if he had his Hazmat. The driver said "no and the tank is empty". The officer said that didn't matter, that the fumes could explode. After he checked all of us over he let us go on our merry way and no one was ticketed. I am soooo confused.

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john in la

04-24-2004 21:42:33




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 Re: Re: tank on wheels in reply to fixerupper, 04-24-2004 19:29:15  
Well the CDL study guide is not the place to look if you want to find the rules I stated but let me get mine out and see what I can find in it.
First off lets clarify that if this was a water tank this would be the same as a welder or compressor because it is under 1000 gals. The thing that makes this tank special is it will haul hazardous materials. You can see this (at least in my guide) by reading the tank vehicle section and the front section where it says what license you need for what trucks. In the pickup; car section it says CDL required only if these vehicles haul hazardous materials.

Now for the rest of the rules you will need the Hazardous Materials Compliance Pocketbook. (the red book)
In the material index it list Diesel fuel as....
Hazard Class or division..... .3
ID #..... ..... ..... ..... ...NA1993
PG..... ..... ..... ..... .....III (this is the packing group. Group III is minor degree of danger)
Label Codes..... ..... ..... ..NONE
Placards..... ..... ..... .....Combustible (Bulk Only)
A hazard class 3 covers flammable and combustible liquids. Flammable is flash point not more than 141° F.(GASOLINE) Combustible is flash between 141° F. and 200° F.(DIESEL)
It goes on to say how you must use a bonding wire while loading ect..ect. It list all the other rules I stated. Get a copy and read it.

Any bulk tank that was placarded while loaded must still carry these same placards when empty until such time it has been loaded with another product that requires a different placard or no placards or has been washed out by steam cleaning. This is why when you see a gas truck deliver at a station and leave the placards are still on it.

So yes your story would make me verrrrr rry confused also. You all are very lucky. The only thing I can say is it was a few years ago and the DOT man's wife must of been nice to him the night before. I would not try that trick now. They are very strict on hazardous materials now; at least in my area. But what do I know. I only work for the largest supplier of road diesel in the US and load; haul; and deliver over 150,000 gallons of diesel and gas a week.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

04-24-2004 10:15:55




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
As has been stated earlier, check with the DOT in your state, since the regulation varies widely from state to state. Per example, in Mo. it would be considered a portable fuel tank, and would need lights, but not a license. Same holds true for portable welders, generators, air compressors, etc. Gasoline weighs about 7.5 pounds per gallon, so including the weight of the tank it will weigh about 1900 pounds or a little more full. Could be interesting to unload.

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KraigWY

04-24-2004 07:12:17




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
I had to take a trip from here WY, to Anchorage a few years back my truck broke leaving me to drive my 51 Chev Flat Bed. At about 8 mpg and a 12 gal tank I didn't want to pay the high gas prices in Canada. I put a 300 gal tank on the bed of the truck, plumbed in directly to the fuel system. I didn't have any problems with DOT or customs (either country). I drove from Sherdian WY to Anchorage AK, about 300 miles with out having to stop for gas. Sure had to pee when I got there though.

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john in la

04-24-2004 07:04:24




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
I think that is very good advise to contact your local DOT and ask them the rules. They are very very strict when it comes to hazardous materials and will not look the other way even for minor volitions like they may do on regular DOT rules. You may be able to class it as a non licensed farm vehicle but I would not hold my breath on that. I think most you see pulling non licensed tanks are pulling fertilizer and those that sneak by pretending to haul such.

I have a CDL with a tank and hazardous endorsement and while I should know all the rules I am not dumb enough to think I do.

With that said I will give you some incite so you will have a idea of what questions to ask.
A cargo tank is any bulk liquid tank of any size whether or not permanently attached to vehicle that is of such size it is not removed from vehicle for loading or unloading.
Any vehicle whether it be a cargo tank are a equipment trailer has the same rules to follow to be licensed for road use. In addition to this a cargo tank on a truck or trailer must have a annually tank leak test.
The cut off for a CDL is 26,000 lbs or any size vehicle that needs placards.
The cut off for the tank endorsement is 1000 gallons.
The cut off for a hazardous material endorsement is any vehicle that needs placards.
The cut off rules for placards of class 3 flammable or combustible liquids is 1001 lbs. This means you can haul up to 1001 lbs of diesel in 5 gallon cans ( about 138 gallons) and not fall under this rule. If you read a little further down the rule it says this does not apply to cargo tanks. A cargo tank (see rule above) is required to have ID number placards on 2 opposing sides for up to 1000 gallons and all 4 sides for above 1000 gallons. The ID # for gas is 1203 and the # for diesel is 1993.

So as you can see there are many rules to consider and while some posters may have well intensions of giving you good advise I would take these post with a grain of salt. Contact and talk to your local DOT because every since 9/11 they have gotten real hard on hazardous materials.

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John A

04-24-2004 06:11:49




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
Stan, Here in Texas any trailer,(production or home made) can be liscened for $5.00 . Wire it for lights and you are good to go. Brakes only become an issue if it came with the trailer new.
A 250 gal fuel trailer an be safly used with no problems. Check with other local Farmers/ranchers you know, or Double Circle Coop visit with the fuel guy ask them about local laws and regs. I am currently working on a 250 gal DSL trailer
on a short tandem axle homemade trailer I picked up, Useing an old LP tank, will use air pressure to propel the DSL out of the tank. through a reg gas nozzel. A ball valve will cut on/off the pressure to the hose. And a another valve to vent the tank when empty, and to fill through, 10 to 15 Lb of pressure will last a long time.
Later,
John A.

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Nebraska Cowman

04-24-2004 03:47:25




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
around here small farmers pull tanks like all over. some on not very road worthy, none ane licensed. the bigger guys buy older tank wagon trucks and use them. I'm still hauling fuel in cans :(



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Jeff

04-24-2004 01:32:36




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
As the other poster pointed out, you need to talk with your DOT.

There are inspection issues, CDL requirements,
etc.



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JMS/MN

04-23-2004 22:59:26




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 Re: tank on wheels in reply to stan, 04-23-2004 22:06:21  
Not a good question for this forum- sort of like asking for advice on electrical wiring. You need to contact DOT for advice and laws pertinent to where you live. In Minnesota, I don't think one can legally transport more than 300 gallons of fuel in a trailer, although pickup tanks holding fewer gallons are popular. I used to carry 75 gallon gas and diesel tanks in the pickup, but after problems with leaving tractors in the field overnight, I just added front tanks to the field tractors so they could run for 15 hours, and they come home each night.

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