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Painting with a BRUSH!

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Ben uk

06-01-2004 12:45:02




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Hi all

Im 15 years old, and am restoring a Gutbrod superior. Unfortunatley i dont have the experience nor the equipment to spray it my self, and dont want to get some one else to do it if I can avoid it.

So, has anyone got any tips on painting the metalwork smoothly and effectively with a brush?

I want to make it as smooth as possible.

thanks

Ben (UK)




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Norm in MB

06-02-2004 11:29:24




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
I don't know if it's available in your area but in the past, I have gone to shops which specialize in selling automotive paints etc. and I get them to blend something for me and they will put it in a pressurized spray can for me. It's under $20.00/can It may not be the real automotive spray gun but it works great for small jobs.. or for those areas where paint brush marks would show too much.

Just a thought..

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Alberta Mike

06-01-2004 17:15:50




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
I've learned a few things about painting, some good things and some bad. All my suggestions relate to a good quality machinery enamel (which will never stand up to wear and tear or for color retention and fade resistance like a good automotive paint will). Having said that, machinery enamel brushes on any rough or unmachined castings very nicely, I'd say looks every bit as good as a spray job on those parts. As for the tinwork, there's no way you can hide a brush job but what you can do (another fella mentioned it below) is roll the paint on. Some areas are tough or impossible to roll so you might have to do some brushwork but the rolling works well. I've used one of those small 4" rollers (good quality ones) and had good results. Make sure you vacumn it well and brush it off well before you paint or you'll get those little fuzzies in your finish. Maybe paint some scrap sheet metal you've got kicking around for practice first. It'll also get rid of some of that fuzz. It will be a bit "orange peel" but it will look good and the decals will go on fine once they dry out. Last, spray cans don't lay down much paint, most of the can is just the solvent carrier liquid. I also find that spray can paint fades quickly and in some cases changes color. Last advice is to keep your machinery enamel painted tractor out of the sun as much as possible or fading is inevitable. Good luck.

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Vern-MI

06-01-2004 17:12:04




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
OK, I have to ask, what is a Gutbrod superior? I searched the web and found a picture of a car.



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Ben uk

06-02-2004 05:47:01




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 Re: Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Vern-MI, 06-01-2004 17:12:04  
third party image

Heres a picture of a couple of them. there small horticultural tractors. Similar to the MF 10s etc.



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Al m

06-02-2004 06:01:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-02-2004 05:47:01  
Ben,these look very simular to old simplicity and allis chambers garden tractors,do you know who built them?
Al



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Ben uk

06-02-2004 11:38:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Al m, 06-02-2004 06:01:59  
They were built in Germany. I beleive by Gutbod but possibly not.

Ben



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Dan

06-01-2004 16:47:38




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
If you brush the cast iron with paint, it will look almost as good as an air sprayer. The sheet metal, you can roll on with a sponge roller, then hit it with a coat of spray paint to smooth it out. Looks pretty darn good using this method, but try it on a hidden spot first to ensure it will give you the result you are looking for.

Good luck,
Dan



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wdtom

06-01-2004 16:45:04




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
I haven't got to my sheet metal on my WD project yet. However the smaller parts like oil pan, valve cover, frame rails, I painted with a brush. Castings, which are rough always come out OK with a brush. I have been priming with RustOleum white primer, one coat. Them brushing on True Value orange, which is close to AC orange. I am working on the gas tank now. Here I am going with two coats of primer at least, sanding between, then with a good brush I am going to brush on the finish. It will be good enough that from 6' away you won't be able to tell i think. I think brushing on the primer gets it into the imperfections in the surface better than spraying. Use a good wire wheel in a angle grinder or electric drill, scrape, hand wire brush too. Clean with solvent before painting to make sure all oil and grease is gone. Good luck with your project.

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Nor. Al

06-01-2004 16:37:00




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
Ben the other two people that responded gave you good advice (spray cans on sheet metal and brush the cast.) Be sure to brush and sand all rust , remove all caked grease and smooth out the places where there are chips of paint missing and have a" JOLLEY GOOD TIME" as you work on it ( I was stationed across the street from a British Bakery Unit during the Korean war and picked up a few of their expressions and comments )

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Paul in Mich

06-01-2004 22:12:12




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 Re: Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Nor. Al, 06-01-2004 16:37:00  
Nor.Al, As an American, the main thing I learned from the British is that when fox hunting, to shout "Tally Ho", and NOT, "There goes the son-of-a-"B" when the fox is sighted.



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rustyfarmall

06-01-2004 15:19:45




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
It can be done, even on sheet metal, but why not just use aerosol cans? With just a little practice you can get results that look almost professional.



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dhermesc

06-01-2004 14:00:27




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 Re: Painting with a BRUSH! in reply to Ben uk, 06-01-2004 12:45:02  
Thin the paint - use a quality impliment paint from a tractor supply place. Do not attempt to brush on automotive paint - won't even come close to looking decent. Buy as high of quality of varnish brush you can find. It will only look as good as your prep work. Don't try to brush over peeling or chipped paint without sanding unless you really want it to look bad. You're already cutting a few corners no need to really screw it up.

I brush painted all the castings on one tractor and had a buddy shoot the sheet metal. Looked pretty good when it was done.

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