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Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper

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Dave Harley Or

06-07-2004 13:09:43




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I recently sold my 5th wheel trailer. I,m looking at a 9.6 camper 3000#. I have a SD F250 Can I safely haul this after installing air bags, and also pull my tractor/trailer,6000#. The trailer gvw is 10000. I,m only concerned about the truck hauling the camper? P.S. My tractor is a 861D. Love it. Thanks Dave.




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snitkawl

06-08-2004 19:40:37




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 Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to Dave Harley Or, 06-07-2004 13:09:43  
Could you post a picture of that tractor with a slide in camper? I have never seen one of those.
I can`t imagine where you would find room on a tracter for a camper.
Thanks.



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Mike (WA)

06-08-2004 08:37:23




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 Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to Dave Harley Or, 06-07-2004 13:09:43  
The solution here is probably to get an 8 foot (or 8.5 foot max) camper- It will be lighter, of course, but more importantly, you will not have to extend the hitch. This will greatly reduce the "lever" effect of the extended hitch, which lightens the front end of the truck and makes every trip an adventure. We have been hauling an 8' camper with either a 3 horse trailer (the Mrs.) or 1900 # "Car trailer" with tractors up to 5,000# (me), with no problems. Truck is an F250 Powerstroke.

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john in la

06-07-2004 19:02:18




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 Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to Dave Harley Or, 06-07-2004 13:09:43  
Boy that is going to be close. While you did not give the year and cab type and engine size ect.. I will try to show you how to figure your self.
Lets assume you have a 2002 F 250 SD super cab 4x2 with a 5.4L V8 with 3.73 rears
use this link to follow along...
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Scroll down to F250 Base Curb Weight
This truck has a GVWR of 8800 lbs
It weighs 5585 lbs Gives you a total payload of 3215 lbs.
You state that your 5585 lb truck will have a 3000 lb slide in camper for a total of 8585 lbs. So you just do make it so far. Now scroll to F250 trailer towing.
You will add a 6000 lb gross trailer. The gross trailer for this truck is 7900 lbs. So far so good. This truck has a GCWR of 13500 lbs.
So lets add it up truck and camper8585 lbs + 6000 lb trailer = 14,585 lbs You are over your GCWR by 1085 lbs Sorry no you can not with this truck.
So now do this with your truck and see how you make out. If you come in under then you will have to worry if you have proper weight on each axle. With a slide in camper and tougue weight I would think you would have to much weight on the rear axel with no way to shift some of it to the front axle.

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T_Bone

06-08-2004 00:17:03




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 Re: Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to john in la, 06-07-2004 19:02:18  
Hi Dave,

To go along with John thoughts, you will have another approx 720lbs tongue weight 18" from the bumper. That would require one heck of a custom built receiver to handle that kind of weight even with a weight distribution hitch. This alone would throw you over your GVWR by some 500lbs "if" it could be done.

If you scale your empty weight, I think you will find your over your GVWR with just the camper.

About the only solution would be buy a trailer long enough to set the camper on the trailer with the tractor. You then would be with-in GVWR weight limits of your F250.

I'm not a proponet of GCWR as that number is phoney number from the mfg. Look into the diesel engines as well as the V10. Although the 5.4 would pull a 20000lb load slower, it would not have a problem pulling the load. The rest of the driveline componets would be the same part number.

Most F250/F350 SWR have exactly the same componets (parts numbers have been comparred) but yet the F350 is rated 1000lbs higher in GVWR.

If you move into the F150, it's rated to pull more GCWR than a F250/F350 SWR in some cases. Cab type pays a big part here according to Ford.

Come 2005 Ford will now rate a F250/F350 PSD with a 23,500 GCWR to compete with Chevy and Dodge.

It's a shame that the numbers are nothing more than a marketing hype for the mfg.

T_Bone

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john in la

06-08-2004 04:04:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to T_Bone, 06-08-2004 00:17:03  
Got to agree...
He did not give enough info to give a good answer but if you look at the above post you can see he is over GVWR with just the camper. I did not add for other add on items because he is just guessing at camper weight. But you add 225 himself 130 wife 150 two small kids the barbque food dishes ect and you can see he is way over his 3215 lbs of payload with a 3000 lb camper.

I do not like GCWR either but it is a CYA #. By adding a large trailer with some good brakes to help stopping you can easily go over your GCWR. The problem is most do not know enough about weight distrubtion to do this. They want to hang it on a class 3 hitch (instead of a gooseneck) which makes the front end light and the whole truck squirley with a heavy trailer. You have to know how trucks work and losading it up and going down the road at 70 in the rain is not how you learn.

I have seen enough weekend trailer pullers in the ditch upside down and a sheet over their child to not even go there when talking to some one I have never meet and do not know their ability. Just look at the SUV accidents. A soccer mom that is use to a car 6" off the ground and she gets a big top heavy SUV so they can keep up with the Jones's and what she do try to weave in traffic and turn it over. So this is why I am a strict beliver in GCWR. Just like Ford i use it to CMA.

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Ron

06-08-2004 04:22:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in cam in reply to john in la, 06-08-2004 04:04:37  
You are smart to stick with the GCWR recommendations for two reasons.

1) In spite of what might appear to be "identical parts" they are not. For example, ABS computers are programmed based on weight and tire size.

2) All trucks' GVWR and GCWR are tied to individual VIN #s and available to the DOT nazis online. The law is very specific, despite any amount of parts swapping or other modifications you may make, if you are over the spec in the computer you get your equipment seized until you pay a might hefty fine.

You make an interesting observation. It's usually some cheapskate with little regard for his life or anyone elses who thinks he's an engineer and can build his own tow string who ends up in the weeds. Professionals who tow for a living follow the rules and rarely have problems, either with accidents or the DOT.

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Mark

06-07-2004 15:29:46




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 Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to Dave Harley Or, 06-07-2004 13:09:43  
With the camper in the truck and the trailer hooked to it,with a tractor on,I think you are going to be over the factory GVW allowed for the truck.Time you add up truck,camper,trailer,tractor,full fuel tanks,2 people,chains,binders and whatever else that gets thrown in. The scale guys don't care about air bags or overload springs. They have a book with the maximum allowable towing capacity,axle ratings,tire ratings etc. Around here in Md. with that rig,when you go over the scales,which you have to,you would probably pay down a good portion of the budget deficit.I would also check the rating of the rear axle.Some "3/4 ton" pickups have light rear axles and suspension, unless HD or trailer towing package was ordered .Even if not over, you are going to be real close to overloading even a set of 10 ply radials. With all that weight on the truck,plus a loaded trailer behind it ought to be a real squirrely unit to drive,especially under emergency stop or lane change conditions.

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Ron

06-07-2004 13:31:56




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 Re: Hauling tractor ,with slide in camper in reply to Dave Harley Or, 06-07-2004 13:09:43  
You tell us...

1) The total loaded weight of the truck as measured on a certified scale must not exceed the truck's GVWR.

2) The total weight of the tow string, that is #1 above + the total loaded weight of the trailer as measured on a certified scale must not exceed the truck's GCWR.

Installing air bags or other modifications has nothing to do with anything as far a weight limit go.



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