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O/T Ethics question on selling

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farmerboybill

07-06-2004 16:41:57




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I towed a 30 combine I got for gratis 80 miles and payed for it by smoking the automatic transmission on my truck. I've done nothing but cuss this automatic since the day I bought it and am now looking at a 94 F250 with a 7.5L and a 5spd with 30k less miles than my old one.

Anyhow, the tranny shot the fluid out the front seal, in my best guess. I filled it back up and it runs and drive ok but not great. It, amazingly does not leak a drop. I'm torn on whether to disclose specifics on what happened to it.

Do you think it'd be ok for me to tell potential buyers that I just don't like autos and this one is acting up? The deal, as always, would be "as is".

I would definately tell them something is wrong with the transmission but should I tell them what specifically happened?

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txblu

07-08-2004 06:08:06




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Interesting responses. My 2c is that if I trade it in it's the dealer's assessor's job to assess the net worth, alone. Additionally, the dealer has facilities to repair disorders discovered. One reason being is that you are going to get wholesaled and pay retail for the replacement so you're out pretty good bucks in the process.

Course, the dealer has a right to make a living just like you do, and he has expenses to pay.

For a one-on-one trade, the customer has a right to know what is wrong with the vehicle if you know about it. There could be some reprecussions (sp) if you deliberately hide something and they find out that you did. Then the 2 of you agree upon a price which should be sensitive to the fact that the buyer will have to do what you chose not to do..... .fix it.

Mark

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DL

07-07-2004 21:08:13




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
If you were buying a used truck, what would YOU want to know about it??? Personally, I'd rather know the whole story... doesn't necessarily mean I wouldn't buy a truck with a known problem, just means I'd be better able to make an informed decision.



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Ryan

07-07-2004 20:52:39




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Can I get some more info on the truck? I am kind of lookign for a replacement and a fixer-upper might not be a bad thing.

take out .removethis from email to make it work.



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Mike M

07-07-2004 05:50:18




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
I think you should tell all you know if you sell it,but be prepared to take a lot less for it.Get some prices of tranny's and lower the price of the truck this much. Or just go ahead and get it fixed and keep it then you know what you got,the other truck seller may not be so honest it could need a clutch or even more.Clutches and manual trannies are not bullet proof and are the worst choice if you have hired help they'll tear em up quicker then an automatic.

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JDknut

07-07-2004 04:01:17




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
If I am selling something and I know that there is something wrong with it, I will tell the buyer. Especially if the problem is not obvious (no need to tell a buyer about a crappy paint job or worn tires, he can see that). It is just plain decent. And my asking price will reflect that.



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JD-Tractor

07-06-2004 20:41:56




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Makes no difference if the person you are buying from is honest with you or not ,two wrongs still don't make a right, If you have any conscience at all you will tell potential buyer that there was a problem w/tranny but the truck runs and moves under it's own power and let it go at that.



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Dan

07-06-2004 20:03:25




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
honesty is the best policy what comes around goes around



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big fred

07-06-2004 19:51:45




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Sounds to me like you know what the ethical answer is and you're just tryin' to figure out what you can get away with. The answer is "whatever lets you sleep at night".



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Rusty

07-06-2004 19:40:30




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Hey,
Depending on the person buying the truck. If it's someone local or someone you know, tell them the problem with it. If it's just some bozo from god-knows-where, keep your lips shut. Buyer beware and sold as is, because some work is always expected when buying a used truck you don't know. Good luck,
Russ



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Les...fortunate

07-07-2004 14:44:30




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 Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to Rusty, 07-06-2004 19:40:30  
Geez, Rusty. I hope I'm smart enough not to ever drive several hundred miles to buy something from you.
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Ed

07-06-2004 19:07:21




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
i,ve seen that happen many times....it has happened to me once.....had a camper on my truck, towing a sprint car with a half dozen people in the camper on a hot day.....the fluid boils....used that truck for 10 years, sold it, its still going, same trans



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49 Cubber!

07-06-2004 18:24:00




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Id tell em what happened and what you did to it.If your trading at the dealership,dont say a word,theyll try to @$#&^ you over anyways,at leats some of them will.Oh that should be 7.3 lt,not 7.5



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Just a note

07-06-2004 22:49:34




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 Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to 49 Cubber!, 07-06-2004 18:24:00  
Ethically you should be truthful to a buyer.What if it was you doing the buying with your last few bucks? Also in some state dealers can come back on you if you misrepresent a trade in vehicle and you WILL lose,probably the truck,the trade in value,repairs costs and court costs.Have seen it happen.



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49 Cubber!

07-07-2004 13:12:43




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 Re: Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to Just a note, 07-06-2004 22:49:34  
Oh excuse me if I offended you or any car salesman out there.I do understand where you re coming from,but like my pappy use to say,"How do ya tell when a carsalesman is lyin',when he opens his mounth!"BTDT!



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farmerboybill

07-06-2004 18:49:06




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 Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to 49 Cubber!, 07-06-2004 18:24:00  
7.3 is the diesel. 7.5 is the 460. I'd be happier with the 7.3 but the 7.5 will do.



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49 Cubber!

07-07-2004 13:14:30




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 Re: Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 18:49:06  
DOOOOO HH!Wasnt thinking straight!I have a 7.3 and the 7.5 caught me off gaurd.



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Poppin' Johnny

07-06-2004 19:17:33




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 Re: Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 18:49:06  
460s tend to not last very long, no matter what type of maintnence you do. Usually by about 125,000 miles, they're done.



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Jonathan

07-06-2004 17:30:13




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
You could always put it through a vehicle auction and forget about it. At those auctions you don't get to drive the vehicle, and if it isn't pissing out fluid, and still moves ok, then I'd say your golden, but make sure it isn't an auction that gives the buyer 1hr to test drive it and bring it back if theres something wrong with it. Trouble is, if you tell people that theres something wrong with the transmission, everybodys going to be afraid of it and it will sit on your lawn forever unless you were willing to sell it for way under book value. Auctions are a good way to get rid of stuff like this.
Hope this helps!.

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Ron

07-06-2004 17:26:07




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
You should sell it and buy the manual. The reason? You know nothing about automatics!

The front seal, you guess? Don't you know? You filled it up and it ain't leaking no more? Well then, it ain't a front seal.

99% sure all that's wrong is that you seriously overheated the tranny. If you saw fluid on the ground it's likely from the vent. Take it to somebody who knows what he's doing and if he's honest he'll just drop the pan and inspect the debris. If the clutch plates are toast, it's obvious. If not, he'll install a new filter, fill it correctly with the correct fluid, and you'll be good to go.

BTW, the honesty thing works both ways. A crooked buyer, after listening to your story, might say "gee whiz, I had one do that to me and it cost $1,500 to fix it. If you knock $1,500 off I'll take it". And then for a lousy $60 for fluid and filter, he has a perfectly good truck... and $1,440 of YOUR money.

"Liars never win and winners never lie"

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farmerboybill

07-06-2004 18:00:57




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 Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to Ron, 07-06-2004 17:26:07  
You're right, I do know nothing about automatics.

What I do know is that this truck never leaked a drop of any fluid before "the incident" and it does not leak a drop after I put 2 gallons back into the tranny. I also know it drives but shifts funny. The reason I guessed the front seal is because people I've talked to, including a transmission shop, say that the seal, after cooling off, might have shrunk back down and resealed itself and the next time I put a load on it, it might leak again.

If I were in love with this truck or wasn't a firm believer in not putting a penny into a vehicle over 5 years old, I'd pry have someone take off that bottom plate and see what is to be seen. I'd rather sell it to someone who is willing to put money into an old vehicle, be it 50 bucks or 1500 bucks.

As it stands, I'm definately going back to a 5 speed.

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big fred

07-06-2004 19:50:03




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 Re: Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 18:00:57  
"a firm believer in not putting a penny into a vehicle over 5 years old"

Must be nice to have that kinda money.



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RayP(MI)

07-06-2004 17:12:22




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
I think it's only fair to tell potential buyers what happened, and how it's behaving, and set your price accordingly. If new owner is looking at a potential tranny job down the road, they should be aware of that. Is the owner of the truck you're drooling over being straight with you? Would you like to know if it's OK before you dump moocho $ into it? I had a car up for sale a while back that a neighbor was interested in for his kid.... Told him what was wrong with it, and told him I wouldn't sell it to him. Value our neighborly relations too much to have a bad car deal come in the way!

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bob in ga

07-06-2004 17:10:51




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
Yes, you should tell them what you know. Tell them what you would want to know if you were looking at buying the truck.

Bob



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Mike (WA)

07-06-2004 17:42:13




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 Re: Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to bob in ga, 07-06-2004 17:10:51  
Sounds curiously like "the Golden Rule" they taught us in Sunday school. I believe its a good way to go. In that kind of a dilemma, I usually take it to an auction- no disclosure expected, and none given.



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leland

07-06-2004 17:10:34




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 Re: O/T Ethics question on selling in reply to farmerboybill, 07-06-2004 16:41:57  
IF it's used buyer be ware but its up to you if you disclose every thing wrong with a used truck you would have to pay someone to take it. do what that voice tells you to do ,or act like a dealer and stick it to the buyer



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