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Garry

08-04-2004 08:15:55

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I was watching two sales on ebay last night. Both tractors were listed by the same seller in Georgia. Both were no reserve auctions. The guy pulled both tractors just minutes before the end of the auction. I was wandering if this is done to reduce the cost of listing on ebay and how is it done. Does anyone have a problem with people doing that if the price does not reach what they want for the tractor?

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Garry

08-05-2004 06:34:55

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

Thanks for the responses. I don't think the seller should pull an item either but as one response stated the price e-bay is charging these days is what is probably causing this. I have bought and sold many items on this site and e-bay and have been pleased with all except with a car I purchased on e-bay. When I picked it up it had a lot of problems not mentioned by the seller. I went through with the deal since I was the high bidder. The price was low enough that I still came out ok though. I think the folks dealing with old tractors are about as honest as they come. I appreciate this site.

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John (MO)

08-05-2004 06:40:32

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-05-2004 06:34:55

As with any auction: BUYER BEWARE! Same thing with sellers. We all know that not everyone is as honest as we would like.

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Davis In Sc

08-04-2004 22:23:29

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I never bought any Big-Ticket items on Ebay, but I have bought hundreds of machinery watch fobs. Only once, did I buy & never recieve my item.I really believe the seller mailed it, & PO lost it. I collect fertilizer advertising items with "Uncle Natchel" & ebay has allowed me to buy many of them that I could never find locally. One item I saw was pulled before I could bid, I emailed seller several times to see if it was still for sale, & never got a reply. They need to make sellers keep items on until auction is over..

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Marc

08-04-2004 21:49:26

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I watch e-Bay daily almost strictly for the entertainment value. I can�t remember the last time I bid. I watch a couple particular items and sellers and began seeing patterns of what I consider un-ethical practices by both sellers and buyers. Shill bidding is very common, inaccurate descriptions, price gouging for shipping and handling and bidders that have just a few feedbacks are only a few observations and add to that that everyone wants to remain anonymous does not help. I find it difficult to handle a business transaction with someone that doesn�t want you to know their name or contact information. My recommendation is don�t get emotional about any item up for bid because if you miss it today there will be another one in a week or so, just be patient. Then research the sellers feedback and items that they have purchased and sold and do the same on all the bidders that are bidding. Be cautious when you see bidders with little or no feedback bidding, they may be shill bidders. I agree that e-Bay is un-responsive to customer concerns; they have to be aware that fraud is common and it is simply a matter of time till some attorney gets enough people together to hit them with a class action suite so that a law firm can cash in on the e-Bay phenomena. My 2 cents and a load of steam!

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Mac

08-05-2004 01:55:52

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Marc, 08-04-2004 21:49:26

I got something on e-mail about class action suit against paypal other day. I've had nothing but good transactions though. I usually contact seller before buying, so there's no misunderstandings.

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kyhayman

08-04-2004 18:21:48

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I've seen that guy too. Would have bough a couple of things but the way he plays I wont bid. Figure he's losing more than he's making. I've only pulled on auction that I was selling. Item was list local with a decent reserve, no bids and I had a local buyer. If I'd had a bid I would have sold it to the bidder. Just the right thing to do.

Same reason I wont go to a sale that isnt abolute or if it has a 'buyers premium'.

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Chris Brown

08-04-2004 17:29:26

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

The idiots don't have to put a reserve price, all they have to do is put in the starting bid at whatever their bottom dollar is and they don't get charged for a reserve auction. I buy and sell on ebay and have not had any problems. Now pay pal is another story. I accept cash,personal checks and money orders and nothing leaves till any of the three are verified good.

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Larry806

08-04-2004 18:37:21

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Chris Brown, 08-04-2004 17:29:26

Chris just WHO are you calling a idiot? It is well known that a auction starting with a price don't sell very often

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paul

08-07-2004 00:55:26

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Larry806, 08-04-2004 18:37:21

To be fair, on an ebay deal it does not seem to be an auction. It seems everyone is testing the waters, not holding an open auction.

I was shopping for backhoes a while back, & watched ebay. I set my preferences to sort by highest price first, and anything under $100 I didn't bother to page back any farther & look at. I think anyone listing valuable hardware for a few pennies on Ebay is not real bright either.

I do agree in a real auction where items are there to sell, starting about 1/2 the real hoped for price helps sales quite a bit. In the Ebay environment, I don't think that is the case, and it would probably be in one's best interest to start with some resemblence of a a bit of the real value of your item.

I don't bother looking at the el-cheapo lowball starting bids - those people just seem to have games to play, not actively selling.

Just my opinion.

--->Paul

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Larry806

08-04-2004 17:12:36

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

As some said things change at e bay. I've have bought & sold there for years. I've bought enough tractors & sent money orders sight unseen that would give some of you heart attacks. I've sold as many that way also.I've never had a bad feedback & left only one. Anytime I see that guy tring to sell I tell about him. I sold a JD 70 it cost me 8.75 to list it with a reserve than a commission IF it sold ( it did) One year later buyer traded that tractor back on 2 more I listed the same tractor again E bay had changed the game The same ad with the same pic's cost 54.00 PLUS a commission if it sold . I could run the same ad with out a reserve for the 8.75 & just pull it at the last min if it wasn't selling good ( I didn't)I don't use them NEAR as much anymore

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Jason from Ohio

08-04-2004 16:22:45

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I have purchased or sold over 25 items on Ebay including one car and other large items. I have always been pleased with the results and how honest everyone has been. Of course, with anything, there are a few dishonest people out there but that is no reason to stay away from Ebay.

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Bob

08-04-2004 17:02:26

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Jason from Ohio, 08-04-2004 16:22:45

I have purchased over 300 items, and mostly have been well satisfied. One item was questionable, and I have been 100% screwed twice (took money, didn't ship item, and ebay was of absolutely no help.

It is these few transactions that really tick a guy off, and ebay's attitude towards those REALLY sucks.

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Joe MN

08-04-2004 15:54:01

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

We advertised for sale on YT a very good original 990 GM Oliver tractor. We received phone calls and e-mails from Belgian brokers,Nigerian royalty, another African broker, a woman wanting to surprise her husband with his favorite tractor, and an ATT interpreter. All wanted the tractor but didn't have cash,certified check or wire transfer funds. So we listed on ebay,ten days later it was sold after 2300 viewers looked it over. I got a good check and the buyer got a good tractor.

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rustyfarmall

08-04-2004 16:16:14

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Joe MN, 08-04-2004 15:54:01

I have had the same thing happen, e-bay does work.

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RAB

08-04-2004 14:20:29

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

Had a seller pull a tractor 2 hours before the auction ended. Eventually did a deal with these 'wide boys'(they were just looking for a fast buck). When I collected, (had loaded, paid and was about to leave) I told them how much my top bid was going to be. They were probably very sorry they did not leave it to the end of the sale! Later, when someone informed me of the original owner, I found the truth of the tractor's history and am very pleased with my purchase. It just rankled that these cowboys made profit on the deal.
Regards, RAB

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Ben in KY

08-04-2004 13:13:07

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

Don't buy anything from ebay and probably never will for the reasons listed below and more. One big reason is that I need to inspect used items I am buying, can't do that on ebay. Actually you can't be sure of much of anything on ebay.

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Mac

08-04-2004 20:24:46

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Ben in KY, 08-04-2004 13:13:07

Ford 712 ind loader-$850
Servis Cyc 72 HD cutter- $380
Sun Hyd adj flow dividers- 2 for $40
2 pair 1" qd and 4 pair 1/2" qd- $20

Finances to keep farming- priceless.
E-Bay sure helps.

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Davis In SC

08-04-2004 22:33:29

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Mac, 08-04-2004 20:24:46

Mac, good point.... I priced some parts I needed To build a robotic arm tool at the shop. Oem was around 300, bought same parts new on ebay for 10 dollars. Extra 290.00 profit on that job..... :<)

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dhermesc

08-04-2004 14:09:04

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Agree with you in reply to Ben in KY, 08-04-2004 13:13:07

Everything from paypal to hidden identities keeps me from ever risking a dime with these guys. I have called on items that didn't sell and made private purchases with people who TRIED to sell through Ebay but never actually placed a single bid online.

A man can get screwed over royally at a regular live auction - let alone one that operates under the principals that Ebay does.

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ChuckG

08-04-2004 13:01:03

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I had a friend bid on and win a JD D on Ebay. He contacted the seller to arrange the pick up and they emailed him that they wanted another $1,000. for it. He replied to them that he won it for the amount it ended at with no reserve and he would like to come pick it up and pay them for it. They came back and said that the winning bid wasn't enough and they wanted the extra $1,000. if he wanted to buy it. He turned them in to Ebay and it looks like nothing much ever came of it. Really ticks me off that a seller can get away with acting like that and it wasn't even my deal.....

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08-04-2004 12:05:23

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I am burnt out on eBay totally. They constantly change their rules to benefit eBay and F the average guy out here trying to use their service to buy something they want. 1. They have changed the search where you cannot search locally, they have changed the watch lists now that if you are watching a reserve auction, when it ends if the reserve is not met, it is automatically pulled from your "watch list" (I assume to avoid contact later for an off eBay deal). 2. I had a situation where I paid for an item right away and it got to me but way late and with the poorest communication imaginable. I left a Neutral feedback for that person, THAT SELLER LEFT ME A NEG. I tried and tried to get that removed and eBay would not help at all. 3.I listed an item to sell and they removed it because I listed another manufacturer of the same tool in the subject line, they called this "search manipulation" AND they wouldn't refund my listing fees. I have suggested ways that would improve their feedback system and emailed them, they did nothing. I have really tried to use eBay to buy and sell but they are apparently big enough now that they don't care because they don't have to. Their customer support is a joke, A TOTAL JOKE. I know this isn't in line with your concern but all this to say it is because eBay changes the rules so often, no trade will ever be 100% on there till the seller has your money and you have what he is selling. I am DONE with eBay.

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Bob

08-04-2004 13:18:51

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to KX, 08-04-2004 12:05:23

I, too, feel that ebay needs to police itself better, or I'll bet they get in a class-action suit sooner or later. They are facilitating fraud, and it seems that should be illegal. I understand PayPal (owned by ebay) has been sued for some of their activities.

I was recently involved in a SMALL auction where the seller took my money and ran. I emailed ebay, and got a form reply, blah, blah, blah, that ended with them telling me they would check into the matter, but could not reveal the results of their investigation to me for PRIVACY reasons.

Does that make any sense... the seller screwed me, and ebay won't help me, but the CROOKED SELLER has a right to PRIVACY?

(The item was paid for with a USPO Money Order, which the seller acknowledged recieving, and then disappeared.)

I don't understand how people can list a no reserve auction, and then, if the bidding isn't high enough, pull the auction with the explanation "Item is no longer available for sale."

Isn't it ebay's policy that you can't do that, once an item is listed with "no reserve"?

As far as the "search by region" function, that is still available in a different form.

You must be signed in, then do your search, and when the results page comes up, click on the drop-down menu labelled "Sort by".

Select "Distance, nearest first", and the listing will be re-arranged showing the mileage from your registered location to the seller's location.

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Josh (Holt T-35)

08-04-2004 13:30:29

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Bob, 08-04-2004 13:18:51

When purchasing, I always pay with a Postal Money order. If someone takes the money and runs, the Postal Inspector can and will investigate. It is mail fraud. I know this from speaking to a Postal Inspector about another matter.
Josh

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Bob

08-04-2004 14:21:33

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Josh (Holt T-35), 08-04-2004 13:30:29

Josh,

Were you able to recover your money, or did they just "investigate"?

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rustyfarmall

08-04-2004 10:33:32

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

If you consigned a tractor to a local live auction, and it didn't get bid up high enough to satisfy you, would you let it go? Of course you wouldn't, and selling items on e-bay is no different. At both types of auctions, you have the opportunity to contact the seller after the bidding is over and try to agree on a price. Fair is fair, everything eventually will sell to the highest bidder.

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Brent in IA

08-04-2004 10:59:52

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to rustyfarmall, 08-04-2004 10:33:32

I agree, I wouldn't let it go either. BUT, I would use the "reserve price" feature on Ebay, not just pull it at the last minute.

Here is why:

Suppose I am the high bidder on Ebay, and have bid $2,000 on a tractor (Tractor #1) with the auction ending at 10 pm. There is another tractor (Tractor #2) I would like to bid on, but as a second choice, that auction ends at 9 pm. So, not wanting to end up with my second choice tractor and tractor #1 both, as I am still high bidder on tractor #1, I let #2 go without bidding at 9 pm.

Then....the guy selling tractor #1 decides $2,000 is not enough, even though he didn't place a reserve price on it, and pulls the auction at 9:30 pm just before it ends.

So....I am stuck with no tractor, when if he had placed a reserve on #1 and I knew that $2,000 wasn't enough, I would have bid on #2 or another tractor. In fact, if this was a 10-day auction, I may have passed up MANY other units I would have liked to have bid on.

So, I agree, the seller controls the auction, but the seller should do it according to the rules (ethical, if not written). Unfortunately not everyone does.

My three cents.....(inflation even affects cliches')

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rustyfarmall

08-04-2004 14:12:51

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Brent in IA, 08-04-2004 10:59:52

Isn't that the same way that a live auction works? If there is more than one tractor at the auction, and the auctioneer comes to your second choice first, do you hold off and hope that your first choice sells in your price range, or do you go ahead and bid on your second choice, win it, and then complain because the one you really wanted sold for less money? There is no differance. You will find dishonest sellers at a live auction just the same as on e-bay.

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Dave in GA

08-04-2004 09:27:30

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

I had a similar experience last year. A man was selling a running and decent Hart-Parr 18-27 on Ebay. I had been looking for an unrestored 18-27 to purchase. I called the guy, got all of the details, and told him I may bid on it. He stated that he wanted to get something like $2,500 for it, and that a local person was going to bid that price before the auction ended. I placed a bid on the ending day, and after a short bidding war, I was the winner for about $1,500. Obviously, the local guy didn't place his high bid. Boy, was I excited. I e-mailed the seller telling him that I won his 18-27. Within minutes, he phoned me all apologetic, saying that he had a dilemma, and that he had already sold it to the local guy and so I couldn't have it. He said that his son was supposed to have ended the auction early. I was very upset and posted negative feedback for him. I believe that he left the auction running hoping that the bidding would go up over $2,500. When it didn't, he got caught on the losing end of a legal transaction.

I have seen a number of old tractor auctions pulled at the last minute, and then see them relisted again later.

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Johnny

08-05-2004 06:37:33

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Dave in GA, 08-04-2004 09:27:30

I absolutly agree with Larry, JT and Lester. If you see a seller playing these sort of games, do everything you can to give them a problem. Try and make it so it"s just not worth their trouble to continue with this behavior. Sure it"s usually not going to be worth it to really sue them, but any headache you can give them is well deserved.

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Larry

08-04-2004 17:26:12

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Dave in GA, 08-04-2004 09:27:30

Dave in Ga., If this guy told you that a local was going to bid that tractor up, You should have turn him in e-Bay for running the price up.

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08-04-2004 16:21:54

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Dave in GA, 08-04-2004 09:27:30

I use E-Bay to buy a lot of obsolete parts for my business and have had good luck. I pay for everything with pay-pal drawn on a credit card. If they do not accept that as payment, I do not bid on their auction. That way if they try to take payment and run, I can contact my credit card company and stop payment. As for Dave in Ga, just for the heck of it, I would contact the seller of the tractor and tell him that when he listed the tractor and took a bid and closed the auction with you as the high bidder, he entered into a legally binding contract and has 2 choices, tell local guy too bad, so sad or get you a tractor at agreed upon price. If I am not mistaken, when you place a bid that is what is stated and if you as a bidder are bound to this contract, the seller should be bound to the same contract.

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Lester

08-04-2004 09:39:48

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Dave in GA, 08-04-2004 09:27:30

Ebay should sue their a$$ and make an example of a few. Would help clean up the sight before things get way out of hand on there. Some sellers are taking advantage of Ebay and of honest bidders. At least complain to Ebay when someone backs out of a sale. Sometimes Ebay will drop them, at least then they have to start over with a new name and buyers are more alert of new sellers.

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John (MO)

08-04-2004 09:15:32

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Garry, 08-04-2004 08:15:55

It sure gives the seller a bad name in my book. If it's someone that is so F'n cheap that they can't pay the few cents it cost to put a reserve on an item, I don't ever want to do business with them. Who know what other ways they have thought of to save or cheat you out of a few cents.

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Harley1983

08-04-2004 10:27:50

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to John (MO), 08-04-2004 09:15:32

I have had a similar experience on ebay just last week. Normally I have good relations with most of the people on there and excellant relations with the company and have a 158 positive feedback rating on ebay, but once in awhile you"ll get a newbie that trys to run things his way. I don"t have a bit of a problem publishing these deadbeat"s names when they do that. Last week I was selling a little John Deere B and about 2 days into a 10 day auction this clown from Des Moines, Dave Ables AKA iasuperdave01 bid 2000.00, which was my reserve, and then 1 day before the auction ended, or about 7 days after he placed his bid, he retracted his bid because he found another tractor for more money, but closer to home. Ebay is not set up that way. You don"t wid on everything in sight and then just take what you want at the end of the auction. Needless to say, I reported him and his low rent tactics and hope he gets back what he likes to give out. Oh and by the way, if anyone doubts anything I say, here is his phone number. 515-205-5418. Call him and ask him if he didn"t retract a bid on ebay and buy another tractor in Winterset, Iowa. It"s A$$wipes like this with a whopping 5 feedbacks that make it look bad for everyone else. On top of that he runs a yuppie trucking company and can"t even spell farmer, and I"ll guarantee he"s never had a rubber boot even near a knee-deep pile of cow by-product. But like I"ve always said. What goes around comes around, and someday he"ll get his. I got one in Hanover, Kansas barred last year and ended up with him on probation and 18 of us get our money back or he goes to jail, so like some of you older fellas like myself know, if you can"t run with the old, big dogs, you better stay on the porch. There, I vented again, thanks, and remember, keep yer stick on the ice cause we"re all in this together, Harley

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tractorfix

08-04-2004 14:45:41

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Re: Question about ebay in reply to Harley1983, 08-04-2004 10:27:50

Atta boy, Harley. Thankfully, I have bought tractors and cars and who knows what else without getting burned. But I know it happens and scumbags should be dealt with swiftly and severely. And if you ever see tractorfix bidding on your auction, I'm good for it!

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