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12 volt bat 6 volt gen

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Don E. Foster

09-01-2004 08:14:28




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Can I put a 12 volt battery in my tractor and still use the 6 volt generator? Thanks




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Gerald J.

09-01-2004 19:50:18




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
Yes but you need a 12 volt regulator and probably a smaller pulley on the generator shaft since it has to turn between 1.5 and twice as fast to develop 14 volts than it turned to develop 7 volts. Then generators have tended to not charge at low engine speeds anyway.

Some below said the generator was constant watts. That's NOT TRUE. Its good for the same current no matter the voltage. The current capability is dependent ONLY on the wire size in the armature. It heats the same from 30 amps load whether the output is 1 volt or 40 volts.

A generator with cutout in the regulator tends to discharge when running just a little below its minimum charging speed. The relay cutout can take as much as 10 amps discharge current before it cuts out. That reduces charging productivity.

An alternator uses silicon diodes to rectify and they also serve as efficient cut out to make sure the alternator never discharges (other than filed current so long as all the diodes are good).

Many tractor generators were selected based on the tractor starting only a couple times a day and running for half a day before the next start. Like the JD 4020 gas with a 20 amp generator and the 4020 diesel with a 10 amp 24 volt generator. I know a one wire alternator works much better on my 4020 gas. Instead of a year or two battery life with regular needs for charging to get it to start after sitting. With the alternator the battery isn't being abused and acts like it will last a long time. I put a small diameter pulley on the 10SI so it spins fast and once it starts charging it will charge as slow as the engine will run.

Gerald J.

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Mark - IN.

09-01-2004 18:02:15




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
Ouch! Not for long.



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Jim Nauert

09-01-2004 18:02:04




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
I have a JD420w that came with a original gen that had been converted to 12v. I had to hook that up because the guy just handed it to me but now it works good. If you want to keep your tractor original looking try that otherwise use a alternator they work better.



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Jerry/MT

09-01-2004 17:57:29




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
Only if you want to discharge the 12 volt battery! The voltage much be matched. Your battery is like a storage tank and your generator or alternator is like a pump. Think of the voltage as a "pressure". If your tank is at 12 psi and you have a pump that puts out 6 psi, how much flow can that pump put into the tank? Nada! In fact the flow runs out of the tank while you are pumping! So your system must be matched n voltage. In fact, your pump must be a little higher in output then the storage tank to account for line losses. A reguar 12 volt system has an alternator output of about 13-14 volts.

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paul

09-01-2004 13:04:07




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it, but a 6v battery & cheap 6/12 v charger are the cheapest & simplest options.

Many people like to convert to a 12v alternator, but I find those to be such a rat"s nest of miss-wiring as to be unrelaible, and much prefer sticking with the original 6v setup. Unless you need to run a planter, baler, or sprayer monitor - then you need the 12v. But just my personal preference, to each their own.

--->Paul

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Red Dave

09-01-2004 10:43:28




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
Yes, but you have to replace the 6-volt voltage regulator with a 12-volt one, and it will never be as efficient as an alternator.
Most generators can supply 12 volts, but the total power output in watts can't increase, so you get twice the volts, but it's then only capable of half the amperage output.



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RayP(MI)

09-01-2004 19:04:13




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Red Dave, 09-01-2004 10:43:28  
My generator shop set mine up with a 12 volt regulator - it does work, but not the greatest. If I find myself starting the tractor frequently, it becomes necessary to clip the charger on overnight, ocassionally.



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Coloken

09-01-2004 08:45:30




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
It can be done if you change the regulator and set it for about 14.5 volts. Do a search for past posts.



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TheRealRon

09-01-2004 08:20:02




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 Re: 12 volt bat 6 volt gen in reply to Don E. Foster, 09-01-2004 08:14:28  
Not if you expect it to recharge the battery.



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