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BSer

09-15-2004 16:18:00

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I have a salvage yard where we have cats for rodent control.Recently we've lost sveral; cats at night to something tha tears their throat out,but doesn't eat them. What kind of animal kills kike this? These cats are very tame and are not feral. Thanks!

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T_Bone

09-16-2004 06:48:48

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

Hi BS,

Most meat eating animals kill by the throat. If a animal gets spooked after a kill they will leave it for awhile then some times come back.

I was told by a elk rancher last year that a domestic elk will kill a dog in a heart beat (stomps them) then eat only the stomach.

I never knew a elk was a meat eater. He said they only eat dogs!

T_Bone

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TheRealRon

09-16-2004 07:16:07

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Re: cat killer in reply to T_Bone, 09-16-2004 06:48:48

Obviously he's just funnin' you. Elk are strict herbivores.

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Nebraska Cowman

09-16-2004 10:43:24

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Re: cat killer in reply to TheRealRon, 09-16-2004 07:16:07

I realy doubt it ron, I've seen cows kill and eat mice and all mammals I know eat their placenta.

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TheRealRon

09-16-2004 11:12:31

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Re: cat killer in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-16-2004 10:43:24

Perhaps you should do a little research on the word "herbivore" in general and elk in particular.

Two additional points...

We have elk here. They are terrified of dogs, just like they are of wolves which we also have.

Deer (elk are in the deer family) do not eat their placentas, at least not here. The bear chase the deer, placenta dragging on the ground, and eat it. Gives mom and young time to get away and the bear is satisfied with the nutritous, easy meal.

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G-MAN

09-16-2004 15:56:13

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Re: cat killer in reply to TheRealRon, 09-16-2004 11:12:31

Yeah, I'd have to see an elk kill a dog and eat it's stomach to believe it, let alone a dog stupid enough to stand there while an elk stomped him to death. But, stranger things have probably happened. I would also think that an elk would be pretty hard-pressed to rip open a dogs stomach with teeth made for grazing. And a dog's stomach would be less than a bite for an elk at any rate.

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T_Bone

09-17-2004 03:39:18

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Re: cat killer in reply to G-MAN, 09-16-2004 15:56:13

Hi G-man,

He said it was a trait of "domestic" elk, not wild elk. He has about 400 head of cow elk and uses dogs to move the elk from one field to the next and will loose a dog every now and again.

T_Bone

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TheRealRon

09-17-2004 04:44:13

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Re: cat killer in reply to T_Bone, 09-17-2004 03:39:18

Give it a rest. You're just making up your fairy tale as you go.

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TheRealRon

09-16-2004 06:05:22

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

Classic kill method of a dog, in your case, a well-fed pet, most likely. A wild animal would have carried it off or eaten it on the spot.

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GerryB

09-15-2004 22:46:21

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

What you have is a mink in the area. That method of killing (throat cut-Vampire like and just leaving the body) is consistent with my experience with my pheasant pens. I"ve lost as many as 20 birds in a night, all throat cut and piled up like cord wood. Also found cats killed in similar fashion outside of pens. Ended up trapping the mink and elimating the bird kill although I didn"t mind the cat killing. Cats are responsible for the vast majority of ground nesting birds being killed.

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T_Bone

09-16-2004 06:37:25

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Re: cat killer in reply to GerryB, 09-15-2004 22:46:21

Hi Gerry,

Theres a guy on the tool forum looking for info on raising birds. I thought you might be able to give him some thoughts.

T_Bone

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NC Wayne

09-15-2004 20:19:23

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

We have cats around our shop for the same reason. The only remains we have ever found was from a litter of kittens one of the bunch had. There are always one or two that come up missing once in a while beyond the roadkills, but never any remains from them. I can't say what's getting yours, but we have found bobcat tracks around many times after a "dissapearance". After the incident with the kittens we found several tracks that were really too big for even a bobcat unless it was a huge son of a gun. I've never seen one personally but several years ago my Uncle and several others saw a black panther not 30 miles from us so there is no telling what is lurking around the shop at night.

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2x4

09-15-2004 23:04:02

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Re: cat killer in reply to NC Wayne, 09-15-2004 20:19:23

people around here report Fishers as being black panthers. No doubt it is a large member of the weasel family but probably a mink.

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NC Wayne

09-16-2004 19:48:25

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Re: cat killer in reply to 2x4, 09-15-2004 23:04:02

Naw, this was definately a panther. Up until he died 4 years ago with complications from lukemiea my Uncle spent just about every waking moment in the woods. He was one of those that would rather hunt than breath. There were 4 others in the car with him, including his sone who is the same way about hunting, and they all got a good long look at the animal before it turned and ran off. It's just like bears, there aren't supposed to be any around here...Concord, NC...but there are still scars on a tree behind my neighbors house where one tore it up about 10 years ago while they watched from the kitchen window, and just a couple of years ago a small one was hit by a car about a mile down the road from me..... I don't care what the state wildlife people say about animals normal ranges, etc, the animals are gonna go where ever they want...they don't read all the reports that tell them where they should and shouldn't be....

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09-15-2004 19:39:18

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

Whatever it is, I wish I had a few around my place. I"d rather have them than the cats people dump on the road.

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VaTom

09-15-2004 19:04:29

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

No answer for you but we live in the woods with cats and coons. Never a problem. Neither are the foxes.

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msb

09-15-2004 19:03:48

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

Opposums & coyotes are both known killers of housecats.I would bait some cage type traps and find out what you are dealing with.

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txblu

09-16-2004 05:30:30

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Re: cat killer in reply to msb, 09-15-2004 19:03:48

Opossums

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Leland

09-15-2004 18:33:34

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

Could be coons they would kill a cat on sight or a mean dog.

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Rod F.

09-15-2004 17:38:53

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Re: cat killer in reply to BSer, 09-15-2004 16:18:00

Seems to me that a weasle might kill like that, but I don't know if they would take down a cat??? Usually it's the cat taking the weasle. Had weasles kill chickens in that manner. They don't eat anything, just kill. Seems like dracula has arrived....

Rod

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DaleK

09-15-2004 18:39:37

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Re: cat killer in reply to Rod F., 09-15-2004 17:38:53

Could be a coon or a weasel. Sounds a lot like a fisher to me though. Where are you? What do you have in your area?

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Rod F.

09-16-2004 20:27:08

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Re: cat killer in reply to DaleK, 09-15-2004 18:39:37

Me? I'm in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. We have some coons around, some weasles, some coyotes, some fox, deer, moose, bear, lynx. Wildlife management is a near full time job....gotta leave enough coyote to control the coon that destroys the corn, but not so many that they are hungry enough to eat my sheep. Coyote (large ones more like a wolf, than the prarie coyote) are the main problem in these parts. The main policy is bait, SSS (Shoot, Shovel, Shut-Up). DNR is not very helpful to say the least. As you can see, I'm getting my post in on two threads all at once. Take care.

Rod

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Brad_fromTN

09-15-2004 21:03:26

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Re: cat killer in reply to DaleK, 09-15-2004 18:39:37

I suspect it's another large cat of some sort. Cats kill by going for the throat and I don't think some of the other animals mentioned would have the speed to catch a healthy cat.

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ken macfarlane

09-16-2004 06:43:36

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Re: cat killer in reply to Brad_fromTN, 09-15-2004 21:03:26

We've got dozens of coons around, worst they've ever done is treed our cats. The damn racoons fight every night, have to trap and shoot them to be able to get any sleep. They even climb up our rough sawn siding and crap on our roof.

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