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Arnie

10-08-2004 08:55:13




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Have a 1999 Chev Silverado with 5.3 engine and every 4 to 6 weeks the check engine lite comes on and we take it into Dealership and they say the injectors need cleaning and thats what is done and 4 to 6 weeks later same thing all over again. So far we have put in a NEW fuel pump,New fuel filter and we are always cleaning injectors. we have even tryed a preimum fuel and no luck there either. ANYBODY have any suggestions? I have tryed a local fellow who does car /truck solutions and he so far hasent even answered us either. Cant find Chev trouble shooters either. I know this isnt the place for this vehicle problem but there are some real sharp people on this board so though i would give it a shot, so far nobody has helped us thanks for any help or ideas

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Arnie

10-09-2004 07:22:46




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
to the GM Tech the service guy put a code box on truck and siad an 034 or needs a gas cap. also where can one get one of these code finders and are they expensive? I have one for a Ford with the code book but it doent work on the Chev would be willing to trade if anyone interested intrading



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GM Tech

10-09-2004 09:17:50




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-09-2004 07:22:46  
No such code, unless he is using a bogus scanner that is not a GM Tech II. You will get a P0400, PO442 if it is an Emmissions code. Some one is Jerking your chain, Please get me the info and I will solve your problem for free!!! Chad



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Arnie

10-09-2004 16:08:15




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to GM Tech, 10-09-2004 09:17:50  
to GM Tech ok i will try and get another scan on this truck. also will a Tech 11 scanner work on a 1997 Chev silverado, and a 1997 calalier ??



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Allan in NE

10-09-2004 09:38:35




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to GM Tech, 10-09-2004 09:17:50  
Yep,

That's the way it sounds to me too.

Somebody is using one of those cheap little $25 "scanners", is just guessing at his problem and is merely throwing a lot of parts at the truck in hopes of getting lucky enough to accidentally land on the problem. Trouble is, all this while, Arnie is spending hard earned cash on this guy's foolish guesswork.

He'll ever get it fixed this way. He needs to have someone looking at the truck that actually knows what he is doing and has the proper equipment to deal with it.

Code 034. Yeah, right,

Allan

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Allan in NE

10-09-2004 10:13:31




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Allan in NE, 10-09-2004 09:38:35  
And, since I'm feelin' "Yappy" again this morning as per usual, :>)

As you undoubtedly know because you are in the business, those trouble codes are merely a diagnostic tool and are not necessarily a 'chiseled in stone' indicator of the actual problem.

A guy has to have a very through understanding of the systems involved and how they operate to properly find the problem. That trouble code usually will get you into the correct neighborhood of distress, but you have to use your head and know the lay of the land to properly diagnose these kinds of headaches.

Further, and if my old pee-brain is remembering right, it takes something on the order of 50 key starts for any given code to ‘naturally’ clear itself from memory after any one problem is resolved.

What this means, is that if the owner has been in the habit of taking his rig down to “Barney’s Bakery and part time Bitchin’ Truck Repair”, and ol’ Barn’ hasn’t got sense enough to scratch his pet goat’s rear, let alone, clear the ECM’s memory of past trouble codes after all his attempts at tryin’ to fix this guy, the situation could occur whereby that memory is loaded with a string of old codes, which are totally worthless and are just complicating the matter of the current difficulty.

Yeah, I really miss turnin’ wrenches, but just not all that much. :>)

Allan

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GM Tech

10-09-2004 18:39:34




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Allan in NE, 10-09-2004 10:13:31  
You betcha, They will not clear themselves on a OBD II system, but the light will go out after so many key cycles and it passes the self test. The hard code will now be in history, but can be still read. Any truck or car newer than 95 will be able to be read with the Tech II. Chad



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Allan in NE

10-10-2004 04:24:44




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to GM Tech, 10-09-2004 18:39:34  
Mornin' Chad,

Not to get off the subject here, but is Don still teaching the trannys at the Training Center up there in Minneapolis?

Boy! You talk about one sharp dude!

Have a good one,

Allan



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GM Tech

10-10-2004 17:11:59




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Allan in NE, 10-10-2004 04:24:44  
I do not know, I thought the training center was shut down, I have been doing IDL training over the satelite. The only hands on was in Fargo, ND. Chad



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txblu Battery?

10-09-2004 04:42:30




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
You said that you put a new battery in. Have you driven for a solid 30 minutes since doing that? Computers have to start over and sort things out and that takes time. Was told about it and did it and it's true. If you haven't done it, go TAKE A DRIVE IN THE COUNTRY (of all places Ha Ha) and do it for at least 30 min.

If it doesn't turn the light out, at least you had a nice drive.

HTH

Mark

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Allan in NE

10-08-2004 22:47:40




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
Hi Arnie,

Boy, I don't wanna speak outta turn here or jump the gun, but something is wrong in Chebytown, to my way of thinking. Are you sure about that code? How sharp was the guy that was reading those codes for you?

I just don't think "Code 034" is a viable code.

The old straight OBD code of 34 would point at a MAP sensor, but that would have been in the older systems.

The newer emission evap codes should fall somewhere in the P0400 range and if indeed you are experiencing a fuel venting (dumping) type leak, it would probably be more on the order of a P0442 or a PO455, if my memory serves. If it is an actual electrical problem (like a vent solenoid) it would of course be a different code, but should still be up in that PO400 number string.

Also, just to kick this around a little, the GMs don’t have near the problems with evap systems that the Ford models do.

Maybe this young GM lad that has been dropping in on this thread can give you a better answer than I, as I am going totally by memory here; but, it sure doesn't sound right to my mind.

Hope ya get 'er going,

Allan

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Arnie

10-08-2004 20:54:44




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
OK guys here is what I found out by going to another GM dealership they said it was an 034 code and that is a fuel cap from what they told me so i put a NEW GM CAP on and they reset the light so now all I can do is see how long it will take before it comes on again. They also told me to forget about the hi test gas and just pour some injector cleaner in for a few tank fulls and should be ok so ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? / hope this gives you guys something to go on and thank you all for some great help and if problem comes back I will be back on here for more HELP

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Bob

10-08-2004 21:15:14




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 20:54:44  
Also, always remember that the "check engine" light comes on if the computer has a headache, or it thinks the engine would flunk a smog test at the moment.

Generally, it does NOT indicate the actual demise of the engine is imminent. (Such as an oil pressure or temperature light)

Check your gauges, and if engine temperature and oil pressure are "normal", don't sweat the light too much! (At least if you're not on the way to a "smog test".

Some of the newer vehicles are really touchy with what it takes to set off the light (to meet clean air regs.), and despite the best efforts at the dealer to lighten your wallet, the light will still come on from time to time.

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Arnie

10-08-2004 21:21:05




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Bob, 10-08-2004 21:15:14  
I dont mind the light coming on but just not as often as it has been like ever 4 -6 weeks this time the new dealership service writer checked it for me at no charge and im to let him know how and if it helped, also the other service writer said that he was the only writer that knew how to read the scanner so ????? ????? ????? ????? ?



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Kendall

10-08-2004 13:02:09




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
GM Tech said it all. What is the code. Go from there. I got a feeling it aint the injectors. my daughters Suburban had a "lean" engine code. Guys at the shop said I needed new Injectors. Seems they wern't working right. (throttle body injection). Being a capable guy, I installed 2 new injectors. Same problem. Gave up and took it to another more reputable shop. The problem turned out to be the fuel pump. It couldnt pump up enough pressure to get past an idle. You've eliminated the fuel pump so gotta look elsewhere. O2 sensor? Report back with an engine code.

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Mike (WA)

10-08-2004 12:32:15




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
I gotta show my wife this thread- to explain why I refuse to get rid of my old "mechanical" Buick. Sheesh- what a nightmare! It"s a wonder these things ever run at all!



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GM Technition

10-08-2004 10:54:28




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
GM man here, what is the code they have said your truck has when you brought it in? Do you have a copy of the Repair Order. Let me know I will give you guys the correct answer. Yes a gravel road will through the light on, two ways, ABS brakes, seeing some wheels turning faster than others, and also due to dust getting into the Evap vent selinoid. Give me the code I'll Give you the answer. T-Rex



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jdman 60

10-09-2004 05:36:37




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to GM Technition, 10-08-2004 10:54:28  
I have a question for a GM service tech. I have a 2001 Silverado with the 5.3 and about every six weeks my gas pedal starts to get sticky and I have found the problem to be the area around the butterfly plate in the fuel injection to be all black with soot if I clean it with carb cleaner it will be ok for a few weeks then gets sticky again. Do they all do this or is there a problem? It is kind of a pain in the rear to have to do this all the time. Thanks jdman60

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joe e-tx

10-10-2004 06:07:05




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to jdman 60, 10-09-2004 05:36:37  
jdman there is a service bullitin to stop that problem.a small plug is inserted in the small hole you see in butterfly and clean up as you have been doing.this on throttle cable type tbi`s not electric(no throttle cable).
joe



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Arnie

10-10-2004 15:51:21




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to joe e-tx, 10-10-2004 06:07:05  
to Joe e-tx wish you and the GM tech would send your email address but understand if you dont



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Arnie

10-08-2004 12:58:25




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to GM Technition, 10-08-2004 10:54:28  
I will have to look up the code so please bear with me might take awhile. thank you



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Brian in NY

10-08-2004 09:49:51




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
One of the posters here said he laughed at a dealer who mentioned a loose gas cap. I am here to tell you that on OBD II emissions systems (which your truck has), the gas cap is an integral part of the emissions control. If you run the truck while fueling up (or even have the ignition in the run position) or don't tighten that gas cap real good, you WILL get a check engine light. I would first make sure you are doing the above and if that does not work, go get a new gas cap. Any salvage yard with late model vehicles will practically give them away; if you ever dropped yours on cement or something it could have a hairline crack in it, that would be all you need to get the error code. Let the boards know the outcome...we are curious.

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Rick Kr

10-08-2004 10:33:44




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Brian in NY, 10-08-2004 09:49:51  
Arnie,
What Brian says can be true. A loose gas cap will set off the SES (service engine soon) light. This is a known problem, not just on your 5.3 but pretty much any engine with OBD II = all newer engines. I am suprised the dealer did not tell you check the cap and monitor for a while. If the cap is cracked, it doesn't matter how tight it is.
BUT the cap is just one of many variables that could cause the SES light to come on. I am curious to the answer.
Rick

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Redmud

10-08-2004 09:38:56




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
Arnie,
Go to Auto Zone when the check engine lite is on. they will check it for free. they will tell you what the problem is and you don't even have buy the fix from them. but you should I think.
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Arnie

10-08-2004 13:03:08




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Redmud, 10-08-2004 09:38:56  
dont have an auto zone here just bumper to bumper, napa, gm, service stations



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jakej

10-08-2004 09:12:49




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
If the check light lights up at highway speeds and has rough idle the EGR valve is suspect. The O2 sensor will indicate improper mixture rich or lean. It will be lean with a sticking EGR.



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txblu

10-08-2004 09:25:19




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to jakej, 10-08-2004 09:12:49  
The injector cleaner used in todays fuel is said to have been created by Chevron Oil Co. I do know that (under the Chevron label) Auto Zone sells it. It's in it's pure state in the bottle (not diluted with gas) so you can add much more than normal if the injectors are dirty and that is your problem.

Now I gave you 3 options. Hope one works for you.

Mark



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rustyfarmall

10-08-2004 09:09:05




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Arnie, 10-08-2004 08:55:13  
The wifes 02 trailblazer does the same thing, although not that often. One time they tried to tell us it was because the gas filler cap wasn't on tight. I laughed right in his face. Another time they tried to tell us it was because of all the gravel dust and mud and the sensors just couldn't survive under those conditions. I explained to him that this is an off-road vehicle, and that we live only 3/4 of a mile off the paved road, which would amount to only 1 1/2 miles of gravel road per day. They finally replaced whichever sensor it was, and so far,knock on wood, the problem has not re-occured.

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txblu

10-08-2004 09:22:02




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-08-2004 09:09:05  
Oxygen sensor (in the exh man pipe) is said to be problematic due to the way it has to sniff oxygen. Only sensor that I know that gets mentioned frequently. Since 02 in the exhaust is a big deal, it has to have a big impact on the computer trying to figure out what to do to the engine.

Mark



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

10-08-2004 10:04:45




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to txblu, 10-08-2004 09:22:02  
My dodge and probably your Chev. will give you some help. On the Dodge if you turn the key on and off and back on a code is produced in the terms of long and short chimes. Count the longs and shorts and refer to a manual for the problems. Disconnecting the battery cable will also put the light out most of the time.



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Arnie

10-08-2004 13:06:33




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 Re: 5.3 litre chev V8 in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 10-08-2004 10:04:45  
ya i just put a new battery in truck about 2 nights age so maybe that might have done it



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