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Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350

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Todd in Indiana

10-09-2004 05:08:28




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She sputterd belched and died. Was'nt a pretty sight. Shop says that the faulty air cleaner on this model allowed dirt and crud to enter into the turbo which led to the failure of it which inturn sent little pieces into the engine that caused it to fail. I bought the truck with 68000 miles on it and it now has 91000. I put a new transmission in at 72000 (auto) $3500 and now I,m looking at $8900 for a new engine. Now all I need is for the tranfer case to fail. I have so much stuck in this truck now that I'll have to drive it for the next 100 yrs. Has anyone else had this bad of luck with this model? Thanks in advance for all the listening ears and advice.

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Kevin Bismark

10-09-2004 23:23:30




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Are you sure that you don"t have a bad cam sensor, had a buddy that had that go out on his, sputtered and died, let it sit for a while and it started up, and then died again a few day"s later, $180.00 bucks later and it was running again, I have one parked next to my garage and it"s the best truck I have ever had, love it, plan to drive one as long as they make it, that 7.3 engine sure seems to be a good one, has more than enough power to pull anything I have ever tried to pull, and then some, have a buddy in Iowa that has been through the Chev and the Dodge and then got a ford with the power stroke and never went back to the others, I have about 188,000 on her now and think I will have to change the throttle sensor, they don"t have a mechanical linkage anymore on these trucks so when you are going real slow she starts to surge once in a while, and had to put a new vaccuum pump on it to control the heating and cooling, and that was another $170.00, they are great trucks but there isin"t anything cheep about them, they claim that you can come off the road from a long hard pull and just shut her down, but I still let her run for a little bit to cool the turbo and engine down, good luck with her.

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Chris Vangel

10-09-2004 20:47:54




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Just a question, Are you sure the engine has truely been harmed? I work at a Freightliner dealership and see turbo failures all the time, Cummins, Detroit, Caterpillars, and even Mercedes engines. Usually the turbo is replaced, then the charge air cooler (intercooler) is removed and reverse flushed with a steam cleaner or pressure washer. It is then reinstalled and most every one has come out just fine. Is she knocking or making any more noise than usual? Or is it locked up?

When unfiltered air enters the engine as you describe, we call it 'dusting' an engine. However the failure is usually in the cylinders, not the turbo. That turbo spins in the neighborhood of 30,000 rpm under boost, so dirt isn't going to be in it long at all, but it will grind at the cylinders and rings. I just thought I would ask some questions, hate to see a truck get killed unnecessarily. Good luck.

Chris.

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John M

10-09-2004 19:32:15




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Post here and someone may can get you going in a new direction,may have a good use engine for sale or something,lots of experts there.



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Crazy H

10-09-2004 17:52:58




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Like some of the other guys have said there was a update on the air cleaner. So if you fix you will want that done to it. The other thing to check out is Jasper engine rebuilds. They are now offering diesel rebuilds with descent warranties if i remeber right. The thing that might be the hang up is that you have a newer 7.3L engine. In 98 they started for what I call a newer generation of the 7.3L. The main thing being aftercooled. Dont let anyone discourage you from this engine. Good luck with the truck

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Bill R

10-09-2004 17:46:18




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
sorry to hear about that one Todd, I've got a '99 F-350 Powerstroke with 170,000 miles, mostly original except ball joints. I definently will check on my air cleaner. And whoever mentioned about the electric/vacuum 4x4 hubs I hear ya there (got one acting up right now)

Bill R.



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farmall300u

10-09-2004 14:42:37




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
I have a 99 V-10 F250 Super Duty Super Cab with auto and 110,000 miles on it. I installed the K & N air filter on it and I clean and re-oil it every 20k miles. My problems with this 99 is keeping the front hubs working with the electronic selector. Front hubs redone three times.

I also have a 2002 F250 crew cab auto 4 x 4 with the PowerStroke and it has 66000 miles on it and this one is great. I also put a K & N filter on this one and run Robetella synthetic oil. I tow a 20 ft enclosed trailer most of the time so I abuse it quite a bit but have had nothing fail.

If I owned your F 350 with only 91000, I would spend the monies and get a used engine (block, heads, turbo)if <50% cost of the new one and if I could not get a used one, I would spend the monies and get the new one and get it back on the road. Should run 300,000 - 400,000 miles if maintained.

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RB/CT

10-09-2004 14:21:51




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Just sold my 1998 Ford F150 4.2 standard, for $1,800 for parts. The crankshaft was moving hitting a thrust bearing, causing me to need a new motor. Ford wanted 5K, installed with new clutch. This was with 79k miles on it. www.fordf150online, a service manager saw several with this problem at 40k and 70k. Also had key switch replaced for $450 after it failed. Got a notice from Ford that the tie rod ends might fall out, so prior to the motor going, replaced all four at $300. Will shop at the Toyota dealer next time. they have taken the #2 spot from Ford and I know why. Good luck.

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Short Round

10-09-2004 18:39:20




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to RB/CT, 10-09-2004 14:21:51  
I also had a 97 f150 with the 4.2, bought it new, treated with kid gloves, oil and filter every 3000. Developed a knock, a real knock not a tick or anything like that. Got what I could for it on a tradein. Was real disappointed with ford on this one. Dont think they have all the problems solved with the v6 motor. Never pulled with it at all, I did like the truck as I could get 19 to 21 mpg almost year around here in WI. I think ford has some problems and are just looking the other way.

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Ray

10-09-2004 13:55:33




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
That"s why I don"t buy old trucks,your just
getting someone elses problems.



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Leland

10-09-2004 12:51:00




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Todd call 1-800 4parts4 they may have a used one they get a lot of wrecked ones.



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Bob

10-09-2004 12:02:21




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
How long did you drive it, without checking the air filter? I guess I'm old-fashioned, but a little do-it-yourself maintenance, and checking fluids, belts and filters goes a long way, and sometimes we forget that, nowadays!

Before you think I'm picking on you, I have to 'fess up. I "killed" a Chevy diesel last year because I depended on the guy that was changing my oil to check the air filter, and replace as necesssary. He didn't, and the panel-type air filter got so dirty, the engine sucked it out of it's rubber frame, and ate pure dust from then on!

You can be sure that's the last time something like that will happen to one of my vehicles, and a good lesson for everyone else to check out these things regularly!

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Joel Harman

10-09-2004 09:00:28




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
warranty is 100K, OR (big or) 5 yr. Already found out hard way. f 350 has 60K on it but purchased sept 98. Was recall on early model air cleaner boxes. fomoco changed them out.
Only other recall was to shield left rear brake. gravel fron roads was messing up brakes.



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JT

10-09-2004 07:45:08




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
You might call your local Ford dealer and ask about it. I do not know what the limitations are, but I think my 2000 F-250 PS has 100,000 mile engine warranty. If you can prove it is a faulty air filter that casued it, you might have a leg to stand on getting Ford to stand behind it.



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Allan in NE

10-09-2004 08:00:43




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to JT, 10-09-2004 07:45:08  
Mornin' JT,

He is out on time, unless that engine was just replaced within the past year. True, Ford has one of the best warranties in the business, but they will only go so far and then they will pull down the curtain.

Also, Ford sent a letter to whoever owned that truck at the time of the update (which was early '99, if I remember right).

Somebody just didn't get the modification done, and I really doubt if Ford is going to spring for a new engine at this late date.

Further, Todd has really been caught between the cracks on this one.

Someone, somewhere, should have caught that air cleaner update. Every time the truck went in for service, that serial number would have been setting off bells, waving red flags and screamin’ for attention at that service department.

They just plain let him down, to my way of thinking,

Allan

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JT

10-09-2004 15:44:57




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Allan in NE, 10-09-2004 08:00:43  
Yeah, Allan, he is probably getting the short end of the stick. But if he wants to push the issue, he can probably get soemthing done, he just has to he a ###hole about it, especially if there is an update that was not performed. Is there a time limit on Ford's 100,000 warranty? I did not think there was.



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John M

10-10-2004 06:11:19




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to JT, 10-09-2004 15:44:57  
5 years,and its not Fords warranty,its Internationals,Ford just does the work.Thats why his tranny wasnt covered.



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JT

10-10-2004 16:28:55




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to John M, 10-10-2004 06:11:19  
OH, ok was not sure



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Allan in NE

10-09-2004 07:28:18




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Mornin' Todd,

Ouch! That truly bites the big one.

I've worked on the GMs all my life until '99, then I jumped over to Ford and ran with them for a time.

I gotta tell you, those Power Strokes are one tough outfit and I think you are just a poor soul who happened to have had the bad luck of getting stuck with a truck that didn't have the proper modification done to that air cleaner assembly earlier in it's life.

Now the question is, what do you do with the thing? Only three choices as I see it: New engine, used engine or trade the thing off.

Maybe even rebuild it as KY says, but your Ford dealer isn’t gonna do that type of work, believe me. And a rebuild will not come with much of a warranty either.

But, let's face it. As it stands now, the truck isn't worth a plug nickel. The only direction for you is up, no matter what you chose to do. All you can do is close your eyes, turn around and throw a dart at that board hangin’ on the wall.

Hope you get 'er straightened out,

Allan

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billyiron

10-09-2004 06:45:18




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
I had a 99 250 with diesel and caught the air cleaner problem, those little tabs get weak and break,, told ford about it they just grunted,,,,, ,, other than that it was ok had 110,000 when I sold it,,maybe you could find used engine,,,billyiron



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kyhayman

10-09-2004 06:43:37




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
Can you build that engine back, or find a used one. If I remember correctly a p.s. is just and International 444e with a different chip. Just guessing here but unless there is a hole in the block or head $4000 should build it. I've done 466's, local shop wanted $12,000 to rebuild them for our bus garage. I just act as 'general contractor' between the machine shop and parts house plus set the head and accessories, $5600 on the last one.

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RusselAZ

10-09-2004 08:54:06




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to kyhayman, 10-09-2004 06:43:37  
And your warranty is????



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kyhayman

10-09-2004 14:41:13




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to RusselAZ, 10-09-2004 08:54:06  
Machine shop that builds the bottom gives 30 days unlimited miles on the bottom (they assemble it and build the head).

Last 'new' engine I bought didnt have that unless it was installed by a certifed Cummins shop (so I paid them to do it) and it wasnt worth the paper it was written on. Freeze plug blew at less than 200 miles. They charged $1400 to put it back in, said it wasnt covered. I've ranted on this before. They said that freeze plugs werent itemized as a covered part yet if anyone other than their shop pulled the head (it was next to the firewall) it voided the whole thing. Lawyer wanted a $2000 retainer to take the case, was just going to be good money after bad.

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john in la

10-09-2004 09:23:58




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 Re: Death of my 1999 Superduty F-350 in reply to RusselAZ, 10-09-2004 08:54:06  
I would say $6400. gives him a pretty good warranty. ($12,000. - $5600. = $6400.)
He could do the whole job over again in 2 years and still be money ahead.
Whats a shop going to give him 90 or 180 days.



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Run!

10-09-2004 06:37:50




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 as fast as you can in reply to Todd in Indiana, 10-09-2004 05:08:28  
no expirience with those trucks, but if I had any truck that gave me that much trouble that soon, I dump it and look for something else.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

10-09-2004 13:24:58




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 Re: as fast as you can in reply to Run!, 10-09-2004 06:37:50  
I just bought a 99 with 9500 actual miles on it. I sure going to check mine out. Thanks. Jerry



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