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mike941

10-27-2004 08:26:13




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using a wico magneto. Hoping someone knows how many degrees advance I can set it for using a timing light.




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RAB

10-27-2004 23:52:11




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 Re: magneto timing in reply to mike941, 10-27-2004 08:26:13  
I am suprised there is no "running" timing mark on the flywheel. Usually both TDC and this was furnished for the owners of the day to service their tractors. With modern fuels, they will probably run better at a slightly different timing than the original settings.
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Larry from MD

10-27-2004 16:50:54




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 Re: magneto timing in reply to mike941, 10-27-2004 08:26:13  
What tractor or engine do you have we can probably look up the correct numbers for you.I don't agree with bob the timeing should not be that far advanced for the old slow running engines.Make SURE when the impulse snaps is well past TDC,this way it will not kick back and hurt you or the starter.



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Bob

10-27-2004 19:40:30




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 Re: magneto timing in reply to Larry from MD, 10-27-2004 16:50:54  
Larry,

What engine are you referring to that would use an impulse-start magneto, but won't tolerate at least 20 degrees of spark advance when running?



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Bob

10-27-2004 09:07:16




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 Re: magneto timing in reply to mike941, 10-27-2004 08:26:13  
A magneto with a working impulse coupling is typically timed so the impulse snaps and the spark occurs at TDC or no more than a very few degrees before TDC. If timed earlier than that, kickback will occur at starting, which will damage the starter (human or otherwise).

As soon as the engine "catches" and begins to rev up, at a few hundred RPM's, the impulse will drop out because of centrifugal force acting on the weights. When the impulse drops out, the timing instantly advances, all at once, to full running advance.

The number of degrees of advance that the mag advances is determined by a spec called the "LAG ANGLE" of the impulse.

There are different weights available for common mags, as was originally spec'd by the engine manufacturer, and usually the "lag angle" is marked on the weights.

Therefore, if, for example, you have a magneto set up with a 12 degree lag angle impulse, the timing advance at startup, measured in crankshaft degrees, will be 24 degrees, since the crankshaft turns twice as fast as the magneto, and rotates 2 degrees for every degree that the magneto rotates.

Therefore, when checking the running timing with a timing light, you should see the initial timing, (close to 0 degrees from TDC) plus the timing advance of the impulse, which will typically range from 20 to 30 degrees.

I hope I've written this clearly enough to make sense!

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mike 941

10-27-2004 18:52:42




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 Re: magneto timing in reply to Bob, 10-27-2004 09:07:16  
thanks Bob
I am measuring the degrees with a timing light after the inpulse drops out. As you know, the WICO goes to full advance and stays there regardless of rpm. Is a setting of 20 to 30 degrees to much when pulling at low rpm, say 500 rpm? If so, do you have any idea what would be a happy medium for an engine with maybe a max of 2000 rpm.



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Bob

10-27-2004 19:38:06




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 Re: magneto timing in reply to mike 941, 10-27-2004 18:52:42  
Mike,

To sum up what I said before, the initial timing near TDC is important for safe starting, and, if you don't like the running timing, change the impulse weights to a lag angle that meets your target for running timing.



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