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Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling

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Mydeere

10-29-2004 19:19:22




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I'm seriously thinking about stepping up to a medium duty truck, say around 26,000lb gvw, to haul my gooseneck trailer and tractors. Anybody out there currently using a medium duty truck for hauling tractors or 5th wheel travel trailers that could tell me what the hidden costs maybe. Such as what type of insurance do you use and what is the approximate cost? Fuel tax stamp - do you need one? Registration - can you register one as a RV? I would be labeling the side of my truck "not for hire" as it would be for my personal use only.

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DL

10-30-2004 19:50:13




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Mydeere, 10-29-2004 19:19:22  
I've been driving an F550 for more than 4 years now... looks like, and is licensed like a regular pick-up. I did a little research with my insurance company a few months ago... switched over to a commercial vehicle policy on that truck (not my other pick-ups or the wife's car) and saved about 40% over what I had been paying (which was already a lot less than some of my buddies pay)... fuel mileage is (I think) respectable (for such a large truck) at 12 - 15 mpg... depending on conditions. Mileage really doesn't change from city to hi-way, but changes slightly with the season as the diesel blends change...also found it did much better on the east coast than it does in mountain country. Pulls ANYTHING pretty well. As a couple of others have stated, I too, found a deal on a heavy truck... a vintage Freightliner that is in exceptional condition. I licensed it as a regular truck, went on the commercial insurance policy, and I don't need a CDL as long as I stay within 150 miles of home... although the nice lady at DMV told me that as long as I don't cross state lines I shouldn't have any problems. The old girl gets better than 10 mpg, and with a recon Cummins N-14, will pull absolutely ANYTHING I'll ever need to pull. I also found a deal on a 40' flatbed trailer, and all is well. Tires are about the only down side... they're not all that expensive per tire (found some new ones for about $250 ea)... but when you have to buy 8 at a time, it can add up! All in all, I'd recommend a heavy truck to anyone who is serious about hauling heavy loads... ya gotta do your home work (to learn the regs about securing loads, etc) but it is by far the safest and most efficient way to go!!! HTH!
Regards, DL

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Glenn/Mn

10-31-2004 05:51:12




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to DL, 10-30-2004 19:50:13  
What about any comments on scales, are you able to bypass them, they never seem to be open when I pass by, not even sure if they want to see a pickup and a trailer or a slightly bigger rig, some signs say all trucks over 6000lbs and others are different. just curious what others are doing.



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DL

11-01-2004 11:54:48




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Glenn/Mn, 10-31-2004 05:51:12  
Hey Glenn,
When I'm driving the F550, I don't bother to pull in to the ports of entry... it looks enough like a regular pick-up, no one has ever said anything... BUT, when I'm driving the big rig, I always pull in to the ports, although I've never been weighed or inspected. All they've wanted so far is to look at my registration and insurance papers, and to chat. I've had absolutely no problems!!!! HTH
Regards, DL

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T_Bone

10-31-2004 06:28:38




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Glenn/Mn, 10-31-2004 05:51:12  
Hi Glenn,

Just depends on the DOT. I was following a 5ton van in Washington when he passed a 1-man DOT scale. I stopped at the rest area at the scale. The DOT guy closed the scale and ran down the van and was returning to the scales as I passed them. You know that had to cost a few bucks.

My son went to Co. to pick up a 14ft bass boat his Grandfather gave him using his AZ, Ranger pick-up. He's comes past the scales at Cortez, Co and heads south to the Four Corners. Just as he gets to Four corners about 70miles away, he gets pulled over by DOT;

DOT says "Why didn't you scale at Cortez?

Son says "I was unware that trailers under 10,000lbs had to scale. Is this a spot check or something?"

DOT says "No, we help Game and Fish out and find most motor homes have over there limit in game. We noticed in the camera your AZ truck plate and the CO boat plate. You need to return to the Cortez scales, wheres your license"

Son hands his "CDL" license to the DOT officer.

About 10 minutes latter DOT officer comes back really pissed. My son is Federal Marshall and every time he gets stopped or questioned, his supervisor has to be notified. Read this as 4 hrs of paper work for the DOT officer :)

He "let him go" for being a fellow officer but got a chewing out for failing to indenifiy himself.

Another time the son was at the scales on the AZ/NM border when in came a couple good ole boys from Texas in 1-tons pulling trailers and asked if they needed to scale. DOT replied "NO" but since your here pull over there for a full inspection.

From that anything can happen depending on the DOT officers mood.

T_Bone

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Jay (ND)

10-30-2004 07:55:31




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Mydeere, 10-29-2004 19:19:22  
Someone correct me if I'm wrong please. But I believe that if you stay at 26000 and under, and license it as a private vehicle, I don't think there are any hidden costs.

I think you need to be under 26 to avoid having to get a CDL (if you are traveling more than 200 miles from home). On top of that, I believe you can trail a 10k trailer without any addition license.

I know many states require fuel permits, etc., for trucks, but I think that only pertains to commercial trucks.

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RJ-AZ

10-30-2004 06:20:56




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Mydeere, 10-29-2004 19:19:22  
My neighbor just bought a well used Ford LN9000 with a 290 Cummins and 10 speed trans for $5300. He liscensed it as a farm vehicle and can run in a 150 mile radius with just a health card. Only problem is he has 240 ton of hay 220 mile away he needes to haul in. Got a nice Dorsey 40' trailer from a guy who owed him money. Now he is looking for a Lo-Boy and a Horse Van and talking about a travel trailer. I sure like the way it run out pulling 24 large square bales.

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I Like Case

10-29-2004 21:36:51




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Mydeere, 10-29-2004 19:19:22  
I have been using a MD IH with a DT 466 and a 5+2 for five years now. I would never consider going back to a pickup to haul tractors. I get as good or better fuel milage than any 1 Ton on the road, plenty of power, never worry about the wind and most importantly it stops when I want it to.

As for registering it as a RV, unless it is a RV built by a NOTICED company, don"t do it. The state may register it but no insurance company will look at it, even for liability only. Mine is set up as an RV but not registered that way. It is insured as a farm truck. I don"t have commercial plates(I don"t do anything for hire)so stopping at ports is optional. It depends on where you are located. I spent days with my local DOT and everyday as I talked to different people I got different answers. Myself I usually stop at the ports and have only had any kind of problem one time-in Wyoming.

Bottom line is go for it-I am sure you will like it.

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Ray,IN

10-29-2004 22:34:34




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to I Like Case, 10-29-2004 21:36:51  
MDT trucks are used widely for towing 5th wheel RV's. To license a truck conversion as an RV it must be configured to a certain standard. Larry Ziegler customizes OTR trucks to meet these standards and will perform all the necessary steps for registration and licensing if requested. Obtaining insurance is the owners responsibility. You can visit irv2.com, and escapees.com to read about his work and the links to his website. The website has pictures and descriptions of completed and in-progress trucks. He can supply an OTR truck conversion for less than the cost of a new 1 ton truck. His trucks usually are powered by 375HP and up engines.

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harley

10-31-2004 08:18:54




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 Re: Medium Duty Trucks for Tractor Hauling in reply to Ray,IN, 10-29-2004 22:34:34  
Every state is different as far as the DOT is concerned, but I used a Ford F700, took the bed off, installed a ball hitch, pulled a gooseneck with three axles for about a year and really liked it. It had a diesel motor and a 5 speed so was a little short legged, but I painted it Farmall red, had dual 5" straight stacks off an old semi, and it really looked cool. Only paid $5500.00 for it too, way under what I would have had to pay for a pickup stought enough to haul what I hauled. And the good thing I liked, when you wanted to stop, that big a truck would just set down. Felt a lot safer. The only drawback was the darned electric brakes on the trailer. Hated them. One time they would stop, next time they might not. Finally went to a little bit bigger truck, with air brakes, and an air brake trailer, loved it, waited for diesel to go to $2.00 a gallon, now I get to look out the kitchen window and watch it. But I have it if I need it., Harley

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