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Bobby Turner

11-02-2004 08:44:13




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I have a l952 Harry Ferguson, TO-30. Developed an intermittent miss. Replaced plugs, wires, checked everything including carburetor, everything ok. Did compression check. All checked low, 80-110 psi. Wet check only raised psi 5-10lbs. in each cyl. No.4 cyl has oil on the plug(raw oil). No blue smoke out of tail pipe. Went to a slightly hotter plug. Seemed to help somewhat. Am I right in assuming that the head is mainly the problem and with only a slight rise with the wet check, does that indicate ring problems as well or is that normal.Have no idea what repairs was done prior to my obtaining it in "97. Any input would be appreciated.....

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old

11-02-2004 09:10:58




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 Re: Compression in reply to Bobby Turner, 11-02-2004 08:44:13  
Is that say 80 in one cylinder or 2 and 110 in the others? They should all be within about 10 psi of each other. 110 is pretty good for an engine like that. You may have a probolm with the valves, but not with the head.



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Bobby Turner

11-02-2004 20:21:28




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 Re: Compression in reply to old, 11-02-2004 09:10:58  
cyl #1 110psi
cyl #2 105psi
cyl #3 95psi
cyl #4 80psi

Hope this clarifies the cyl's psi's. #4 cyl seems to be the lowest and is oily.



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old

11-02-2004 20:58:15




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 Re: Compression in reply to Bobby Turner, 11-02-2004 20:21:28  
you have a big problem with that engine probably bad rings in the last 2 cylinders/valves



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RAB

11-02-2004 23:59:02




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 Re: Compression in reply to old, 11-02-2004 20:58:15  
Not necessarily bad rings. It may be bad valve guides allowing oil to be passed and worn seats affecting the compression. This is reinforced by the fact that wet compression showed only a small and consistent increase in compression pressure. I would recomend an compressed air check on all cylinders to find where the compression is leaking, before pulling it apart and maybe remanufacturing the engine, when only a valve job might be all that is needed.
Important to get the right diagnosis before laying out the operating table. An aspirin is often cheaper and safer than a heart transplant!
Regards, RAB

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Bobby Turner

11-03-2004 06:17:17




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 Re: Compression in reply to RAB, 11-02-2004 23:59:02  
Thanks guys, you have been a big help. Never done or seen a compressed air check but, will strongly look into it. Tractor cranks fine and is still strong but, the missing and constant cleaning of the plug (#4) will drive u nuts. I am leaning toward problems within the head. Many thanks..... ..... .



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JT

11-03-2004 08:45:52




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 Re: Compression in reply to Bobby Turner, 11-03-2004 06:17:17  
If this is an OHV engine, then you might have head problems, but the problems is in the valves in the head. If it an L head engine, you need to do a valve job, bad.



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Bobby Turner

11-02-2004 20:11:50




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 Re: Compression in reply to old, 11-02-2004 09:10:58  
cyl #1 110psi
cyl #2 105psi
cyl #3 95psi
cyl #4 80psi

Hope this clarifies the cyl's psi's. #4 cyl seems to be the lowest and is oily.



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Joe (Wa)

11-03-2004 13:03:50




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 Re: Compression in reply to Bobby Turner, 11-02-2004 20:11:50  
I don't mean to question your experience or technique so if my post does not apply please ignore.

The declining compression pressures may be related to cranking rpm if you sequenced 1 2 3 4. Perhaps 4 3 2 1 with a fresh battery would change or support your existing readings.

An accurate compression reading can be obtained with a fully charged battery connected to a battery charger. After one cylinder has been tested wait until the amps drop on the charger and check all cylinders at the same amp reading.

On the #4 cylinder, put a plug in from one of the other cylinders that you know is firing good. Run the engine, note the rpm, pull the plug wire and hold the terminal about ¼” from the plug. That will introduce an auxiliary gap that retards the coil discharge producing a higher voltage spark. If the engine rpm picks up there probably is excessive oil in the combustion mix.

A wet check is good for worn rings but it doesn’t mean much if a ring is broken or the cylinder is scored. I think I would drop the pan, and check for ring pieces and try to view the bores and piston skirts.

Of course, if you find something here an overhaul is in order. At least you know what you’re getting into with less effort.

Joe

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