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Tweeter

11-05-2004 15:15:14




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I have a "88 Chevy K2500 pickup with a 5.7L 350 motor. It leaking antifreeze somewhere towards that back of the motor. It drips on the ground in two spots, one on the right and the other of the left. They seem to be in the same spots just one on the right side and the other on the left side. The driver side head gasket is leaking oil too. Im not sure what I should be looking for to figure this out and fix it. Any help would be great.

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JAFO

11-07-2004 20:15:58




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
People who so obviously have no idea what they are talking about shouldn`t offer solutions that are imaginary. From reading some of the replies, it is a certainty that some you have never seen a small block 350 chev engine.



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Mark - IN.

11-07-2004 21:42:19




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to JAFO, 11-07-2004 20:15:58  
He says is overheating, and is finding antifreeze around the rear of a cylinder head (I assume the block deck), and is blowing out the tailpipe. I've built and rebuilt countless big and small block Chevys. It's been years, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm rusty on Chevys, but haven't forgotten all.

At this point, I'm betting on a cylinder head gasket.

And your thoughts would be?



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Tweeter

11-06-2004 07:57:10




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Thanks for the replies. I'll check it out today. If it were a freeze plug, is that fixable and how hard is it to do. If it were the intake gasket, how hard is it to replace.



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Mark - IN.

11-06-2004 20:47:20




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-06-2004 07:57:10  
Well, a freeze plug could be an additional problem since your post to me indicates overheating - pressure builds up and wants to go somewhere else. But generally speaking, the pressure required to force a freeze plug would be considerably higher than it would be to blow a hose, radiator cap, etc. Don't bet on a freeze plug.

If is overheating, I'd look elsewhere like a head gasket, otherwise would be overheating through the cap or radiator overflow. But you said are finding antifreeze around the cylinder head. What's your exhaust look like? Seeing antifreeze out the tailpipe? Leaking intake manifold gaskets don't produce overheating, since intake is a cooler part of the motor and creates a vacuum.

There are things to be aware of when replacing intake manifold gaskets. First off, if is an intake leak, the gaskets are scrap once oily filmed antifreeze gets between the heads and the manifold. At that point, can't just tighten them to get a good seal. The pressure it'd take to do that would crack or break the manifold bolt boss tabs. The gaskets are scrap. The distributor will need to come out, and you'll have to mark the placement of the distributor in relation to the manifold, and the rotor in relation to the distributor - the distributor is driven by a gear on the back of the cam, and whatever teeth were intermeshed when comes out, have to be intermeshed when goes back in. Also, the distributor drives a rod that drives the oil pump in all BB and SB Chevy's, so be careful to not un-align when pulling the ditributor, and line up when putting back in - or no oil, motor gets scrapped after blow it up.

The rest of it is simple mechanicals. Remove hoses, wires, fuel lines, etc. Tag them as remove.
Unbolt the manifold, take it off. Scrape (don't gouge) the surfaces, put it back on with new gaskets. Not sure about No. 2 Permatex with those motors. Some new gaskets don't require sealer, and specify not to use it. Put it back together in reverse order. I don't recall there being a torque sequence on manifold bolts, but I always snugged from the inside bolts on one side, cross over to the other side, and keep crossing back and forth working outward. Then go back and begin torquing 1/2 specifications in same sequence, then full specifications, same sequence. Then retorque, same sequence. Do it that way, and won't crack or break those bolt bosses - are very fragile.

But, intake manifold gaskets don't typically cause overheating. From what you've posted, you may have a head gasket problem. In any event, the intake manifold would have to come off to get to the heads (gaskets).

If I were you, I'd pick up a Chiltons or Haynes. They'll tell you how, and give torque specs.

Don't force the ditributor in - the teeth and oil pump drive shaft will line up, or you'll be off a tooth or so - pull it, advance or retard it, try it again, again, again.

Change the oil, time the engine.

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Jrry

11-06-2004 05:34:28




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
My 3500 with the 350 engine did that earlier this year and it was the intake gasket. Replaced the gaskets and been working great ever since.



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Mark - IN.

11-06-2004 04:51:49




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Well, if is from normal use, chances are intake manifold gasket. Don't think it's a freeze plug from what you say about antifreeze at the base of or around the head - the freeze plugs are physically below that level on/in the block. If it were a head gasket leaking, you should be experiencing overheating, but didn't mention overheating.

Sounds like an intake manifold gasket from what you're saying. And as far as heater hoses and connectors are concerned, well could have a problem with a hose or fitting going to a heater core, and is just washing/spraying/dripping on the back of the motor at or near that low point.

Been a while sine I screwed around with Chevy's, but heater hoses were always connected at the front of the intake manifold, just below radiator hose gooseneck, not the rear of the motor/intake manifold. Sounds like some of the posts are saying those connectors have been relocated to the rear - could be, but I don't see it, but could be.

Check your oil for antifreeze too. If turns out to be an intake manifold gasket, chances are is leaking antifreeze down into the oil galley and lifters/lifter bores located under the intake manifold itself, from there gravity takes right down into the crankcase. You don't want antifreeze in your oil or in/on your mechanicals.

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Tweeter

11-06-2004 05:34:39




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Mark - IN., 11-06-2004 04:51:49  
The truck's temp gauge wants to keep climbing over the 210 mark. I would imaging it would keep going if i didnt turn the motor off.



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Irv

11-05-2004 23:04:42




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
My guess is a leaking intake manifold seal. This is common in the Chevy V8. I had very similar problems with my Chevy V8's. One @160,000 & one @232,000. Both are still running great. The fix can be a pain, since to put new seals on you have to take belt and brackets off the front of the motor. I replaced the belt and water pump and hoses for good measure. Still runs strong, uses no oil! I sold an 88 pickup, I don't know how many miles on it now, but 232,000 in 99 and it still is running. Great motor. Irv

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matthies

11-05-2004 20:46:30




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Look towards the rear of the intake where the heater hose connects, alot of the GM's have a pewter connector that rots away causing a antifreeze leak. After market parts houses have some replacements that are steel. (Dorman brand)



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I Like Case

11-05-2004 18:43:23




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Tweeter, more than likely you have a leaking intake manifold. It is a pretty common problem. As for the oil leak it is more than likely just a valve cover and not the head itself.



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JoeMN

11-05-2004 17:34:25




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Had an old Scandinavian neighbor with the same problem. Every time he parked himself awhile there would be a little rusty moisture on the ground,about as much on the left as on the right. Looked up a little higher and saw a little seepage from each corner of his grin. Just another happy,level-headed Swede chewing copenhagen.



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Jim.UT

11-05-2004 17:04:56




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
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Hey! This is a tractor forum! Remove that engine from the truck and install it in a tractor. Then come back with your questions and we'll be happy to help.

P.S. Just kidding ;)

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Irv

11-05-2004 23:11:41




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Jim.UT, 11-05-2004 17:04:56  
Neat site. You really have done some cool restorations and conversions. Irv



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Jim.UT

11-06-2004 06:34:29




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Irv, 11-05-2004 23:11:41  
It wasn't me! I'm nowhere near that talented. That's Marvin Baumann's site. I just post the links.



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Jim Broughton

11-05-2004 16:40:36




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Tweeter; Get you a good drop-light and a long handled mechanics mirror, set the light down on back of engine and then "scope out" that rear freeze plug for leakage. Sometimes you can remove and press a new plug in without major a problem, but you may have to go in through the "firewall" to fix it. Good luck !! Jim



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RJ-AZ

11-05-2004 16:17:39




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
Could be freeze plugs but more likely the two water ports on the rear of the intake manifold.



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37 chief

11-05-2004 15:45:52




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
There is a good chance it is from a freeze plug behind the flywheel. Have it happen several times. I dont think is from the head gasket. Have fun



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Frankie

11-05-2004 15:44:41




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 Re: Chevy 350 in reply to Tweeter, 11-05-2004 15:15:14  
For your head gasket problem, your should buy a new gasket, get a gasket sealer, put it on the gaskets to youre engine, and tighten the headers. The gaskets did the same thing on my Dads 1985 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with a 305 in it. Good Little Car!



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