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old fashioned f

11-21-2004 11:42:33

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Howdy folks,

I was listening to a radio classified program done locally the other day and one of the fellas on there had an ad that kinda spooked me. He was wanting to purchase junk cars from folks (obviously for scrap) but he also mentioned old farm machinery. This scared me. I've heard a little bit that steel is high right now but don't really follow that much. I'm no big collector as far as old tractors but there are a few out there that I'd like to acquire (IHC titan: my great grandad had one, JD GP on steel, for example) and I know that these kind are probably not going to be in a classified ad. They're the kind you have to run on in an old fencerow or barn or something like that. If scrap prices start pullin people to get rid of these things then we are going to see it get a lot harder to find them. I worry about that. I don't know about you all but if it gets to the point where the only place you can find an old tractor is from someone who's already restored it, then this hobby will lose all it's fun. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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Nolan

11-22-2004 15:41:38

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

I've seen a lot of cars, tractors and such that had been laying around for decades get sold for scrap in the past two years.

Sad one to me is when my wifes uncle sold his old Model T tractor for scrap. He didn't bother to ask those of us who'd been saying we'd love to buy it from him for years.

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11-22-2004 18:53:00

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That never saw the scrap heap! in reply to Nolan, 11-22-2004 15:41:38

The metal dealer made some money on it to a restorer/collector...

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paul

11-21-2004 18:47:26

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

This spring there was a 2 hour wait by the steel recycler I heard, it was like the fall line at the elevator - farmers with trucks & trailers of old iron stacked up - cleanning out the grove.

--->Paul

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Ron@fe

11-21-2004 16:11:04

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

If you heard the above story or something similar once, you probably heard it a million times from the crowds at shows. Isn't it time for we as collectors, enthusiasts or restorers, AKA preservers of history to do something about it. There has to be countless grants and tax credits out there from Uncle Sam for preserving buildings, bridges, threatened wild life or whatever. What is more Americana and threatened than an antique farm tractor? I say if you rescue a piece of antique iron from a fence row or junk yard and restore it at your own expense, there should be a tax credit. Or, how about a federal grant for preserving a tangible piece of our real history? Love to hear back from Y'all.

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Sid

11-21-2004 18:34:21

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to Ron@fe, 11-21-2004 16:11:04

I think we ought to leave Uncle out of it. Boy oh boy what a circus that would turn into. Big fines for restoring with out a proper permitt. Failure to use certified parts. Failure for improper salvaging of certain models and parts. If we want it done, lets as individuals and clubs do what we can with what we got. Many of us own equipment today that will someday be a classic. Take care of it today if we want to preserve it for tommorrow.

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Mike M

11-21-2004 15:41:19

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

You could try to head them off by makeing your own ad and let it be know that you are willing to pay more than scrap price for tractors.

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Jon H

11-21-2004 15:18:09

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

Twice in the last 20 years our state had clean up drives,where they would haul away anything that people no longer wanted. One of the collection points was very near my farm,so I got a chance to wander through it. much of it was 15-20 year old scrap cars and metal junk,but some was very collectable and rare stuff,50-100 years old that should never have gone into the crusher. To these guys everything was just scrap metal,they saved nothing.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

11-22-2004 06:43:17

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to Jon H, 11-21-2004 15:18:09

My Grandfather had a running F20 that my Father had learned to drive on. I had told Grandpa several times that I would like to buy the tractor when he was through with it. When I was at his place doing some chores for him one day about 30 years ago I noticed the tractor was gone and asked about it. He had sold it and seveeral pieces of horsedrawn equipment to a traveling scrap dealer for $25. I nearly sat down and cried.

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Nebraska Cowman

11-21-2004 15:05:05

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

they made what, most of a million Fordsons? and very few of them survived the scrap drives in WWII, and a lot of them were still running, just obsolete.

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37 chief

11-21-2004 13:11:38

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Re: bad news for collectors in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

There are going to be a few pieces of farm equipenent that are going to be made into scrap there is no getting around it. I have a AC model M my self that is going to end up in the scrap pile.There is a time when a piece of equip had deteriated to the point of never being able to be brought back to life.Just try to protect what you have. Stan

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Gerald J.

11-21-2004 13:03:31

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Re: Been that way for more than half a century in reply to old fashioned farmer, 11-21-2004 11:42:33

Millions of tons of vintage cars, tractors, trucks, and implements went into WW2 armament. There were constant scrap drives wanting to overlook no ounce of available steel. I was too little to participate, but I recall that as recent history after the war. Only working vehicles and equipment survived because they were impossible (in the case of vehicles) or very difficult to replace.

Scrap drives were replaced by paper drives during the Korean war era.

For a few years back, scrap iron sometimes had such low value the scrap yards charged a fee for unloading. Things are different now. All the scrap metal from the world trade center surely had a severe depressing effect on scrap prices.

Before WW2, Japan and Germany bought lots of scrap planning to throws it back at us but we didn't detect it ahead of time.

Gerald J.

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Vern-MI

11-22-2004 05:09:55

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Re: Been that way for more than half a century in reply to Gerald J., 11-21-2004 13:03:31

There was a special on TV a week or so ago and they showed workers in India cutting up old ships. The ships were bought by steel brokers and cut up by Burners (workers using torches)and the scrap was then sold around the world. The Burners had very short life spans because of all the toxic fumes they constantly breath. The burners lived nearby in huts made from scrap from the ships. They have a constant supply of ships and workers who go there because it is the only place theycan find employment. Some life.

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