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IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine!

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Schultzy

12-14-2004 16:24:25

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Hello,
Today our ag machinery/heavy duty class made a fundraiser. we took bets on how long this engine would run for $2 a guess. There were prizes donated to the winners.
We took a 466 IH diesel, which had nothing wrong, took the fan belt off, and ran it at 4000 RPM (nearly double it's rated speed). it lasted a 8 minutes and 5 seconds.
It was neat to watch. after 2 minutes, the paint was burning off the valve cover. After 4 minutes, coolant pressure was so high that the radiator top tank burst. after 6 minutes the engine began to lug down from the internal load but the govonor sped it back up. it did this a few times over. After another minute, it started to miss and flames shot out the exhuast. Smoked like hell. after another minute, she slowly lugged right down and siezed. a infared thermometer read 560*F on the side of the head. QUITE A SHOW!

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MJD

12-16-2004 22:28:23

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

I never was one to intentionally waste things...probably learned from DAD and not having a lot when a kid. I just can not see doing that when it could be used for something productive. Sorry, ...just the way I was brought up !

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Old Pokey

12-16-2004 18:19:18

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

You and your school did great Schultzy. I wish I could have been there to see it, I would have paid for that show anyday. I dont know if your administrators would allow it, but it would be fun to use this forum thread for another class as an interesting topic.

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Dick L

12-16-2004 08:33:53

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Another Angle On The Subject in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

How many of you hire drivers to drive your trucks? How many high school students will become truck drivers working for a trucking company? Looking out the window here and seeing the string of big trucks in what seems and endless convoy, I would say several out of most classes. If you hire drivers how many engines have you had to replace because of lost oil pressure or a radiator hose broke and the driver thought he could make it to a more convenient location? If any of this happened to your pocketbook you would see the need for this demonstration. It shows how short of a distance a driver can travel before the expense climbs out of control.

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Redmud

12-16-2004 09:27:18

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Re: Another Angle On The Subject in reply to Dick L, 12-16-2004 08:33:53

That is outstanding. Dick L, You will now move to the head of the class.

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rednekelmo

12-16-2004 02:37:25

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

good grief some peoele on this board need their medication upped a little! 1st IH 466 engines are about as rare as minivans full of fatwomen and bratty kids. 2nd It was going to the scrapyard one way or the other why not take an oppertunity to learn and have a lttle fun 3rd when it involves the goverment and donated items I'm willing to bet that trying to sell the motor was either a no no or only slightly more painful than slaming your privates in a door. I'm glad to see there were some defenders of Schultzy ou there.As for the rest of you if you put half the effort into making your wife happy as you put in ripping this poor kid a newone,then maybe you wouldn't be so grumppy.Now if you must rip somone go gripe at the guys who commit unspeakable irreversable atrocities on antique tractors making them unusable for anything other than pulling a sled down a track.OH thats right they fight back unlike a poor schoolkid

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Redmud

12-15-2004 17:38:51

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

OK guys, Enough is enough. To start with,The engine was a donation to the school. To do with as they saw fit. And after many many years of hands on molestation of this engine, it was time to put it out to pasture. It matters not, whether it went to the scrap heap, with or without a rod thru the side of the block, the end results are the same, and all is not lost, because It will come back as a Toyota in 2006. And I'm sure the ag Teacher made sure that the students were clear and in no danger when the engine was in distruct mode. Some of you think it was a dumb thing to do. Some of you think it was down right criminal. But Be honest now, Just how many of you older guys{and younger ones} removed the umbrella from the old JD or Farmall, when Dad was not around, climbed on top of the barn and jumped off thanking you would float down like a feather? Now THAT's dumb. And just how many of you got inside of an old rear tractor tire while two of your buddies held it up, untill another buddy got the front bumper of the old farm truck against it? and the last thing you heard was, Naw, I ain't gonna go fast, and then rolled you across a 200 acre field at mach 1? Now THAT's dumb. and just how many of you crossed the plug wires on the old F20 knowing your older brother was fixin to yank on the crank? Now THAT is really really dumb... You guys that did these dumb kinda things need to quit chunkin rocks at this guy. You know who you are.. Now stoppit.

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Mark - IN.

12-15-2004 17:23:14

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Trouble Maker!!! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Blowin' up beatup old worn out tractor engines today, watchin' MTV tomorrow. What is this world comin' to? What are we learnin' our children? Oh the humanity.

Used to ride cows as a kid, bucked better than a horse - Dad was less than impressed, to put it mildly.

But just the same young man, go to your room, and no MTV for you, or your teacher.

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JHesler

12-15-2004 15:33:35

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

What with all the disposa-machinery that you students must be learning about these days, my guess is that your instructor was preparing you for the experience of a Yanmar or Kubuto reaching 1000 Hrs. Too bad you had to use good old American Iron for the demonstration.

Make sure the scrap gets sent off to China.

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raym

12-15-2004 12:51:52

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How sad in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Work to make things run and some get pleasure in destruction.

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David in MD

12-15-2004 11:09:54

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

I bleed green so my answer is biased but look at the resale value of used machines. Farmers vote with their dollars. I won't claim that John Deere equipment is always better than other brands but their parts availability and service is. I buy older used equipment so parts and service are the most important consideration for me. By the way I have run a 1086 and a 4440 and prefer the 4440 in every way.

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David in MD

12-15-2004 11:11:20

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to David in MD, 12-15-2004 11:09:54

Replied in wrong question but I do think intentionally blowing up a good engine is stupid.

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Walter Squires

12-15-2004 08:09:51

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

That makes me sick at my stomach to blow a engine on purpose, It's a wonder no one got a rod stuck in their forhead. HOW STUPID

Walter Squires

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G/MAN

12-15-2004 07:45:48

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

You're probably getting the picture by now that not too many people are impressed, besides destroying a decent engine that you could have probably overhauled with donated parts and sold for as much as you made, there was quite a bit of danger involved. You're lucky nobody ended up with a piece of block or connecting rod sticking out of their forehead. Considering how we couldn't even enter the shop without safety glasses, I can't believe any ag department or instructor was dumb enough to let this take place, providing it actually did.

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Rick Kr

12-15-2004 07:18:51

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

If you destroy a tractor, the tractor lovers complain, if you destroy a car, the car lovers complain.....
It just goes on and on. This type of thing is really common around here, removing oil and coolant (from a car engine). But running at double the rated speed, little scary. I would worry about flying parts too.
It all depends on your frame of reference whether it is ok or not.

Have you heard the latest!!!! People are actually taking perfectly good cows and eating them!!!!! Why? Why? Why?
OK I am being a smarta**, but you can't please everyone all the time, what makes one person smile, makes another cry.

Rick

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JD_IHC

12-15-2004 07:10:11

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Morons teaching moronic behavior to the future morons.

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DanH

12-15-2004 07:27:48

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to JD_IHC, 12-15-2004 07:10:11

So are you a teacher or a student?

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JD_IHC

12-15-2004 10:24:17

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to DanH, 12-15-2004 07:27:48

Thats very clever! You must have already graduated.

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DanH

12-15-2004 14:10:36

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to JD_IHC, 12-15-2004 10:24:17

Shocking how fast the moron gene gets around isn't it.

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JD_IHC

12-15-2004 15:56:44

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to DanH, 12-15-2004 14:10:36

Doesn't shock me much. It's possible that you were born with it. Not all Morons need to undergo the rigorous training involved.

Whether yours is inate or self taught, congratulations, you've done a fine job.

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Danh

12-16-2004 05:33:40

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to JD_IHC, 12-15-2004 15:56:44

Being complimented by a professional such as yourself tells me I'm on the right track. Your level of moronic behavior gives me something to aim for in the future.

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12-15-2004 06:38:41

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

My daughter is in the area ag mechanics class, and I am sure glad the instructor you have is not at her school. Beside being a foolish thing to do, it is teaching these kids it is alright to destroy something as long as it is for fun or a cause. It was very dangerous and if my daughter was put in a position where an engine could have exploded and hurt someone, her teacher & I would have a very serious talk. I guess like old DavisinSC, I am just tooo old to see humor in destruction. Would you all also blow up a house just to see how much dynamite it would take to blow it? I know, it is not my place or my engine, just my .02 worth.

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Buzzman72

12-15-2004 06:19:30

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

And...this is different from a demolition derby--in principle--in what way?

Or how 'bout those old silent movies where they ran the old steam locomotive engines into each other at full speed?

In all three cases, "it was gonna be scrapped anyway" is the justification, right or wrong. Folks have been doing that for over 100 years, getting a little entertainment on their way to the recycling center. Nobody's right here, nobody's wrong here, you can't change the outcome NOW, so accept it and move on...that's what MY dad would've told me, and I suspect he was right.

Next topic....

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Shaggy

12-14-2004 22:01:13

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

I have giving more money to crazier thing and never got anything in return. I know thats my fault. Lets see. 2 buck, its not my engine and I don't have to clean up the mess. Sounds like fun to me! Kind of like hooking a can of ether to the air cleaner on a riding lawn mower and hitting the ether when you get in to tall grass. Or using it to get back to the fuel can.

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Hayman

12-14-2004 21:53:12

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

That's nice,now if you want to clean up do the same thing,only add Energy Release to the oil.It will run about ten times as long if not forever.

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JD 5020 guy

12-14-2004 21:02:38

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Thats nothing. We did that to a Detriot 6-71. We wrapped it up over 4,000 rpm. It ran for about 5 minutes before overheating and slowing down and quitting. The thermostat never opened so we fixed that and started it up again. Wrapped it up to 4,000 rpm again. It ran for a few minutes before it started smoking from everywhere on the engine and quit. We cooled it off with a garden hose and started it again. Keep in mind we had to use gobs of either to start it each time. Same thing happened as last time except some pieces of metal came out of the exhaust. Started it again and this time it threw a rod completely out of the engine. We were using a cage around the engine too so nobody would get hurt. We tried to start it again but it was getting dark. We never siezed it I am sure we could have had it running again if we had time. On close inspection, 2 of the liners were cracked and the supercharger was making some god awful noises.

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Davis In SC

12-14-2004 21:39:53

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to JD 5020 guy, 12-14-2004 21:02:38

I guess I lost my sense of humor along the road of life. Not my Idea of fun..... .

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JD 5020 guy

12-14-2004 21:10:24

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to JD 5020 guy, 12-14-2004 21:02:38

Forgot to mention we did this in college.

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Don Wadge

12-14-2004 19:38:49

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

WOW! No sense of humour here for this kind of nonsense. I kind of think Red Green might have enjoyed that. Keep your stick on the ice,eh.

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Mark - IN.

12-14-2004 18:56:41

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Don't let Allan find out in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Now go to your room and don't come back out until you've got a good apology worked out to "those" red guys. But as a Massey kind of guy, good job. Ha Ha Ha Ha, but to make it look good, go to your room.

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Allan in NE

12-14-2004 19:41:19

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Re: Don't let Allan find out in reply to Mark - IN., 12-14-2004 18:56:41

Alright Mark!!! Was that called for? LOL!

While I agree that it really smarts to hear of a red one going belly up, I kinda know where this young feller is coming from.

Those engines that they use in the tech schools have been torn apart and put back together so darned many times that the threads are all completely worn out, there are no tolerances left in the things and it really surprises me that it even still ran. Let's face it, a "studentized" engine is really far beyond being ready for the iron pile anyway.

But, I guess what really amuses me about this whole thread is that everyone jumps on this kid for burning up an engine "for sport" when half of those throwin' the rocks at him can't wait for Sunday afternoon to roll around so they can go get a belly full of beer and then go out & pull the guts out of a perfectly good farm tractor at a local tractor pull.

But, I guess certain 'pre-qualified abuse' to a machine is okay if you're �older�, if you "know better" and if you are doing it in the name of good honest �fun�.

Yep, I'm a certified "tractor-hugger". :>)

Allan

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schmidty

12-15-2004 15:54:18

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Re: Don't let Allan find out in reply to Allan in NE, 12-14-2004 19:41:19

I agree Allen. My first instinct was like the others, but then I remembered my autos shop class days. We had a variety of "junk" to work on (some of which would probably be priceless today) most of which was donated from dealers. A few cars that rolled off of train cars in transit and other stuff that had broken castings etc. but still ran. I"m sure in today"s sue crazy society those kids were behind a safety window or shielded somehow and the knowledge that even one of those kids will gain about mechanics or metallurgy after tearing it down will be priceless to them someday. Plus think of how cool that instructor is now! Go easy on the kid guys, he could be doing a lot worse.

Schmidty

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Mark - IN.

12-15-2004 05:44:41

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Re: Don't let Allan find out in reply to Allan in NE, 12-14-2004 19:41:19

Hey ya Allan, you're just so darn fun to mess with. LOL. Truth be told, I hate to see any engine blownup like that, no matter the color, but was a junker anyway, I'd bet. Actually, are a whole lot more IH around me than anything else, so have a ton of respect for them. But, you're just so darn fun to mess with, and 'tis the season of fun.

Finish that shopping? Me? Start that shopping yet? Start at 1:37 PM on Christams Eve every year, it's tradition!!!

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kyhayman

12-14-2004 19:55:41

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Re: Don't let Allan find out in reply to Allan in NE, 12-14-2004 19:41:19

Thank you Allan for standing up for him. It may have been a total waste of a good engine but I suspect it is a situation like you describe (I deal with the bureauracracy at work). I got new engines and had to dispose of my old ones (these were Briggs). (I teach ag mechanics) Only thing I could do was 1 sell as surplus (last ones brought $1 each); 2. sledgehammer them to scrap and pitch them 3. or melt them down and pour them into ingots. The aluminum ingots were more use to me than either 1 or 2.

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RustyFarmall

12-14-2004 18:50:41

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

schultzy, I am thinking that you are a teller of very tall tales.

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Rod F.

12-14-2004 18:46:46

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

quite a show indeed..... Hope you raised a couple grand. In my area the engine would probably have brought that much. Again, you did this for what purpose? When I was in class, the instructor used to tell a story of some jerk in the class many years before who backed the buffer screw out on a 6v71 they had set up for demo purposes. Thought it was funny. Pistons and sleeves are still lying around the classroom. The engine flipped over before the old guy got the fuel lines smashed off. He WASN'T laughing, and it was just lucky nobody was hurt.

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thurlow

12-14-2004 18:31:05

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Let me guess..... .public school, supported by tax dollars; and people complain about what is (or is not) being taught in today's schools. Where else could you gain this kind of experience; should come in very handy when the class members look for jobs flipping burgers..... .. might even be an assistant manager among you.

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TomR Ont.

12-14-2004 18:23:52

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Schultzy: It's no G--D---wonder liability insurance premiums, for the average social event is out of control, with stupidity such as this! Depending on the turn out, the lawyers would of had a field day if it blew up. Not to mention all the hurt and pain for years to come.

Just think about it for a moment..... then sigh with relief nothing DEADLY happened.

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billyiron

12-14-2004 17:45:56

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Why not take bets on when you guys get smart? DUMB-ASSES----- ----- ----- billyiron

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Hmmm?...

12-14-2004 17:28:58

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Aren't you the same fellow that got a running Deutz diesel tractor for $350 from the scrap yard?
Old tractors and engines must be plentiful and cheap in your area.

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J.C. IN AZ.

12-14-2004 17:44:52

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Hmmm?..., 12-14-2004 17:28:58

And the purpose of this experiment besides being very dangerous was? Your CLASS you state, must have no Safety Concerns for such an exibition!! Forgive me but I can not see the Humor or Enjoyment from such a Display!!

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Mike M

12-14-2004 17:16:53

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Just like a government run agency, teach the kids to take something good and ruin it.Instead they should teach care and maintenance. I bet you could of sold that perfectly good engine for more $$$ than they raised.

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paul

12-14-2004 17:11:01

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Like the others, not my kind of fun. Now an old deadish gas engine, got nothing much left.... But, a good diesel - seems a shame. I wouldn'ta stuck around or placed a bet.....

--->Paul

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Jonboy

12-14-2004 17:10:04

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Me thinks your pulling our legs, theres no way at $2 a bet that your school could have even come close to raising the value of that engine, and they would have been alot better off to have simply sold the engine and put the money toward funding whatever. A good running engine that is rigged up so that a buyer can hear it run is worth $$$$, and I fail to see much educational value of blowing up an engine in that manner.

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JD 5020 guy

12-14-2004 21:08:57

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Jonboy, 12-14-2004 17:10:04

Its called FUN and its a good way to raise money. That type of fund raiser is common in my area and I know one of them is sponsered by VICA. There is no initial cost because most of the time, the engine is donated and most of the engines barely run anyway. What usual happens is they get an engine in and the students work on it enough to get it running and then blow it. Lots of times they will have some gas engines too along with diesels.

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12-15-2004 06:31:37

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to JD 5020 guy, 12-14-2004 21:08:57

I do not call destroying a classic peice of our agricultureal history fun, I refer to that as stupidity on the instructors part. They could have got a gas car engine and did the same thing and they are plentiful and not an engine facing extinction.

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RusselAZ

12-14-2004 16:48:39

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

To bad it didn't have synthetic oil in it. It could still be running.

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Davis In SC

12-14-2004 16:41:09

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

Glad I was not there.... Would have been painful seeing a perfectly good engine cook... At the speed & conditions you stated, lucky that there was no Shrapnel flying ....

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lucass

12-14-2004 16:29:23

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 16:24:25

what a waste.. how much did you raise

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Hoosier JD

12-14-2004 17:40:36

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to lucass, 12-14-2004 16:29:23

Here I scrap and save and work and piddle and cuss and beg my old gas tractor to keep runnin..... ..... ....

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Schultzy

12-14-2004 18:43:40

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Hoosier JD, 12-14-2004 17:40:36

hello,
the engine was donated by the school. It wasn't my idea to do this, The reason they didn't sell it instead because it had been around the school since the early 70's, and has been apart a thousand times, injection pump leaked down, nobody knew how good of condition it was, except that it ran. outdated for teaching purposes, and the school had got new engines to replace them. the engines were going for scrap iron, and the scrap iron place don't care if the engine runs or not. Why not raise money for charity and have a little fun before it gets melted down?
and yes, I am the same fellow who saved a Running Diesel Deutz from the scrap yard for $300.

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paul

12-15-2004 16:20:24

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 18:43:40

Originally you said a 'good' engine. Kinda changing that now.

Still a lot of new iron to just rip apart. I've seen this done with cars from the junk yard, they get something that blows blue hardly runs. Fun to watch.

I'd still hate to see the relatively new iron blow up - I understand it, but....

--->Paul

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Rockin' Farmer

12-15-2004 13:30:14

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 18:43:40

Schultzy,

I knew you were gonna take more heat than that engine halfway through your original post, but I guess I'm kind of a sick puppy. I'd have liked to seen it! I'm sure if that engine were worth anything, someone at the school would have figured out a way for it to "disappear", and it would have wound up for sale at a later date in another town!

Everyone should see something like that at least once. Gives you an idea what happens when you abuse your machinery. The really cool part is doing the "autopsy" afterward.

Just my .02,

Rockin' Farmer

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Jonboy

12-14-2004 19:23:07

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Schultzy, 12-14-2004 18:43:40

I kinda see their point, but I bet they would have gotten more out of it if they had a charity auction for the engine, I'm sure that somebody out there would have grabbed it even if it did need an injection pump as sombody surly has a 1566 or something out there that has an ok injection pump, but the rest of the engine isn't too healthy, and being owned by the school, I bet it had all new parts in it that had only been ran a couple of hours. Obviously somebody must have put it together right for that engine to turn almost double the maximum speed rating and run well without flying apart, so somebody could have gotten a few hours out of it. I have seen schools do alot of foolish stuff before, so it really shouldn't be a surprize to me. Too bad.

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Re: IH 466 Engine fun! one tough engine! in reply to Jonboy, 12-14-2004 19:23:07

dont you got a video off the show i bet that engine sure made a heck of a noise i would put that 466 in a 1566 a that would be a good combination to me

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