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Drainage Tile......what are they?

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Ken in Pa

01-17-2005 16:47:02




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I am hoping someone might want to take the time to explain to me the complete story of drainage tile. You know what they do? what are they made of? how do you install them? what do you use to install them? How deep? If the ground is completely flat where do you drain the water to? so on and so on. Thanks guys!




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paul

01-18-2005 10:42:20




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
Old tile were baked clay, trench dug by hand & tile laid in.

Then concrete tiles (still used for larger main lines esp) and a great big wheel with little cups on it for digging trench.

Then the chain trenchers came, are popular for commercial services. With plastic tile.

Now for pattern tilng they use tile plows, just a great big 3pt implement on the back of a 4wd tractor, works like a sub soiler point but 6" wide & installs 4 or 6" plastic tile like they install underground wire.

Flat ground? What is that????? ???

You try to put tile in an average of 3' deep. You need to be 24 inches deep or you will pull it up with a ripper, etc. But it costs a lot to go more that 4 feet deep, so you try to plan out the tile patter to be in that 3 foot range.

It drains into the ditches or a natural lake or stream, and the tile gentley climbs uphill from there, mostly you follow the low spots in the field.

Pattern tiling is for more flat fields (whatever they are?) where they run tile every30 to 100 feet apart (depending on the type of soil, how fast the water drains trough it) to a bigger header tile on one end of the field, which drains to the ditch eventually.

If you have a real low field it is likely real good ground, so it may pay to tile it & put in a lift station - this is a pump that lifts the water up, as your field is about the same level as the water in the ditch, so you can't get the water to run away. You run the tile under the field, drains to the pump, and the pump lifts the water to the surface, where it can then run over to the ditch again.

It keeps puddles of water from drowing your crops/ makes low spots farmable so you can plant & harvest in straight lines/ makes a healthier root system of your crops because they do not grow into saturated soils.

I have several miles of tile under my small farm.

Now, my question - what is completely flat ground?

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

01-19-2005 04:48:58




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to paul, 01-18-2005 10:42:20  
Paul: That flat soil is a very rare commodity. It does exist, but not in quantity.



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Hugh MacKay

01-18-2005 07:26:03




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
Ken: Besides improving the trafficability of your soil usually early in spring and late fall. Tile is intended to lower the water table in the soil. Basically trying to make that water table more perminant. This encourages young newly planted crops to establish a more massive root system, going for that water. Many young crops will start off great get to water table and stop root production. Problem is once that root production stops, it will not start again, thus by mid summer you have a water table couple of feet below the crops root system.

I'm sure some of the sites others advised you to visit will explain this better than I.

On underground field drainage the earliest I've seen were rock drains, a trench was dug about 3' deep and about 18" of field rock placed in bottom and covered with soil. I've seen box drains built from lumber with drilled holes. Another is round logs about 4" to 6" in diameter with a hole drilled the length of them, water entered at the joints much like the clay tile. Of course the clay tile and the modern plastic being used most everywhere today. Don't see wood or even clay tile being used much any more.

I dug up on my farm once an old water line made from wood. They drilled a 2" hole the entire 10' length of a 6" log, tapered ends as cones and points, and hammered them together. This system was piped almost 800' to a resovoir up hill from farm buildings. I understand the family had graviety running water and bathroom 50 years before electricity. I know of another system using same type of wood pipe and pumping water to resovoir on a hill to give steady graviety water supply.

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Elmer

01-18-2005 05:06:07




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
I have a few videos of a home made tile plow, plowing in the plastic tile. If anyone would like to see them send me your email address. I left mine open. This plow has a 600hp Detroit in it. The family who built the plow have been in the business since the 40's. Started with an old Buckeye trencher.



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Farmered

01-17-2005 21:42:58




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
You may be interested in visiting the Weaver Drain Tile museum in Geneva NY. It is at the location of the first installation of drainage tile in the US. It was brought to this country from Scotland by John Johnson in 1835. There are 350 types of tile on display. Ed



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Old Pokey

01-17-2005 20:33:16




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
I dont know about the laws in Pa, but here in oregon you cant just tile a piece of land. It has to be inspected by the state first. And if the water is to be drained directly into a creek or river, the last few hundred feet have to be nonperferated. And if you're in any kind of subsidy program you better check with their rules first.



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Wil

01-17-2005 20:13:08




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
Ken,

Here are some pictures of pulling in plastic tile in Northeast Iowa. These tile were put in about 3 1/2 to 4 feet deep. We are on rolling prairie and everything is ran down to a natural waterway or creek and drains into that. Out in central Iowa where everything is flat, they built drainage ditches and have the tile dump into them.

Wil

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Wil

01-17-2005 20:15:21




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Wil , 01-17-2005 20:13:08  
Here is a picture of the tile sitting to be pulled in.

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If you want, you can email me with more questions.

Wil



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Roger H

01-18-2005 05:43:11




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Wil, 01-17-2005 20:15:21  
Wil, you must have some sandy ground somewhere there to need that roll with the sock on it.



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Wil

01-18-2005 06:41:26




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Roger H, 01-18-2005 05:43:11  
Roger,

That is just regular 6 inch tile that is white, not sand tile. We thought it was sand tile when we first saw it also but it was just like the black tile. No sand on the farm we tiled out, just good black soil with yellow clay about 2 feet down.

Wil



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Roger H

01-18-2005 08:55:02




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Wil , 01-18-2005 06:41:26  
Oh ok, it sure looked like sock tile at first.



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J. Schwiebert

01-17-2005 19:48:44




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
Ken: how can I contact you? This part of northwest Ohio was the great swamp. Drainage is what made the swamp farmable. it has changed from digging them by hand to wheel machines which are still used for the outlet and now to plowing them in.
I think my next door neighbor has some pamplets made up that they used to show the history of drainage here. Get in tough with me and I will ask him.



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kyhayman

01-17-2005 18:28:51




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
You have some great answers on modern tile systems. Older systems used fired clay tiles (18" lengths) fitted end to end. Water entered the tile at the tile joints. Mine are bedded in pea gravel, 30" on the shallow end and 4.5' on the deep end, empties in galvanized corrugated pipe which discharges in the creek.



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Roger H

01-17-2005 18:20:58




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
Ken, go to Prinsco.com & take a look at their website, I was driving for them this fall since Labor day & put on 22000 miles hauling 6 maxi rolls at a time, the season ended just before Christmas since it got cold enough to freeze up so the tilers couldn't run anymore until spring.



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Hound

01-17-2005 18:20:25




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
Around here, all decent land is tiled. Generally, 4" plastic tiles, in ground, every 30'0, draining to an open or closed tile outlet or ditch. Around here everybody lays tiles with a plow unit. Basically a backhoe digs a small trench, the plow drops it in to plow it into the ground, and the depth is controlled via a laser, to get proper pitch. The plow can plow anywhere from 24 to 5'deep. Draining a farm here is costly, in the 600-800/acre range. It allows to get on your land sooner in the spring (dries it out), and it helps in a wet fall as well. Hound

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nebraska kirk

01-17-2005 18:06:56




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 Re: Drainage Tile......what are they? in reply to Ken in Pa, 01-17-2005 16:47:02  
My Dad lays drain tile for a living and when I was young I used to help him a LOT!. From driving the trenchdigger to laying the tile and covering it up with the backhoe.

The tile is laid so that one end drains into a creek or ditch.
The tile my Dad lays is made out of corrugated ( the corrugations make stronger and easier to bend) black plastic. It comes in various sizes and lengths and perforated and non perforated. My Dad has a big 6-wheel machine with a 7'dia. digging wheel mounted on the back to dig the trench. The digging wheel can be adjusted up & down for depth of cut via cables and hyd. cylinders. The tile comes in 100' to 250' coils that are unroled alongside the trench and carefully layed in the trench by hand. Enough dirt to cover the tile is pushed in by hand, the reason being to protect the tile from being crushed when a backhoe, or dozer pushes the rest of the dirt in all at once.

The tile is used to drain wetspots in fields and for tile terracing. Tile terracing is where a tile line is laid straight up a hill, with a perforated vertical tube comming up out of the ground where a terrace will be build. A terrace is then built around the hill following the contour to catch the runoff water and channel it around the hill to the vertical perforated "riser" where it then runs down into the tile and on down the hill to end up in a creek or river. A hill may have 3 to 5 terraces spaced about 50 to 75 yards apart up it's sides. The steeper the hill, the closer the terraces.

This tile terracing system is superior to the old system of terraces and grass-covered waterways. Waterways can't be farmed and must be properly maintained to prevent them from eroding.

If you need more detailed answers, I can ask my Dad if it would be alright if you gave him a call to discuss it.

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