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Some do - my compact likely does - some don't. My IHC 300 & Ford with Schwartz wide front have no actual stop - eventually the tube will hit something, but not for a long ways. The Ollie wide fronts don't look like there is any special stop. The problem is, once you are leaning enough to hit the stop, you are in some trouble already. For me, my narrow front H would lose traction before it would lean itself over. My wide front compact 4wd tractor will lean over, & continue to move because of the 4wd - this can really get me in trouble if I am on a hill, and it continues to drive me into a worse condition.... You are technically corret. And yes a wide front is a bit more stable. But, only a bit. In the real world, I can make a long-wheelbase old narrow front tractor _much_ more stable than a wide front from the dealer.... It's all about getting the weight right, and using common sense (some of which must be learned...). Wide or narrow front is really the least important factor in this. I feel if you hit the stop on the front axle, you have already lost - you were not set up properly and are trying to wreck. Your condition is only valid for lifting a load from the ground that is too heavy. In that case, the front wheel stop may help you if the bucket is still low enough to be in contact with the ground. Once you have a load in the bucket & raised, if you hit a slope that tilts your rear end up, the stop will _not_ stop you - you are going to go over. You have passed critical mass by then. And you are not being a wise guy - good discussion. :) To me your question is sort of like a crosswalk in the street - you might legally have a right to be in the crosswalk, but if you step out in front of the 4000# car, it's only a technicality - you still will be dead. :) :) The front axle stop does more harm by giving people a false sense of security, instead of properly setting up their tractor for a loader. We go through this discussion several times over at the tractorbynet.com compact tractor site - new owners don't want to ruin their lawn by adding ballist to their loader/ lawn mower tractor, and then talk about all the times a rear wheel lifted on them - or that they have only rolled it 2 times so far..... These same people talk about how dangerous a narrow front tractor is, can't see how those were even legal ever... I can only shake my head. --->Paul
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