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M H Man

02-14-2005 19:58:11

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I"m looking for feedback from others who feel as I do about things being called something other than what they are, For instance,a common thing to call any brand of rotary cutter is a Bush Hog or a mower conditioner being called a Haybine. Both of these names are registered trademark names by a manufacturer. Now I know I"m going to get scolded by those saying "what"s the difference" but really,why can't we call things what they are. An example being "XYZ company rotary cutter for sale...similar to a Bush Hog" Very confusing when looking through the machinery ads for something specific and everything is called by the same name. OK, let me have it either way.

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Les...fortunate

02-16-2005 05:27:52

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

You might as well shovel sand against the tide as to try to change anything.

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Frank M.

02-15-2005 20:02:45

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

I see a lot of brand names used as a generic term. Some of my customers will say "I came in to get some Prestone." as they are picking up a jug of Zerex antifreeze. Or " how do you like my new Weedeater?" holding up a Ryobi string trimmer.
For some reason I find this one funny. Customer comes in and says "I need some new Levi's." I lead them to the aisle with the Levi's, and customer says " Don't you have any Wrangler Levi's?"

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Bill(Wis)

02-15-2005 16:05:02

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

These things do matter to some people. That's why I issued a call for one of you semi-retired farmers to act as website interpreter.

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John M

02-15-2005 14:50:56

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Does it matter?

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Loren-MN

02-15-2005 12:53:51

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

A spade is not always a spade. In some parts of this world in might be called a shovel. My point is different implements go by different names depending on where you are located. Bush Hog? Oh ya, that's the rotary mower I hook behind the Ford to mow the road ditch. "Drag Harrow"? Let's see, in my part of the country, it could be a disk, a digger, or a drag. MidWesterners tend to keep things simple and easy to understand. Another example, is it a "wheatland" or a "standard" meaning standard fix tread. You see, spades aren't always spades.

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Steve(OR)

02-15-2005 11:15:13

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

By the way, ORC stands for "over running coupler", not "over riding clutch" or some other similar nonsense!

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dr.sportster

02-15-2005 09:19:12

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

In the late sixties early seventies before all the Harley dealers were milionares and the owners actually worked the parts counter often times a customer would say I have a 65 panhead.The owner would just stare at you with out saying a word until you figured out that you had to say you had a 65FLH or proper model designation.If you didnt you werent getting any parts from him.You could be thrown out for calling a tappet guide a lifter stool.Lifter stool was chopper mag slang and they werent having it.

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Redmud

02-15-2005 09:05:23

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Your dang tootin,and I thank we should take it one step farther. Some folk are just down rite uncivilized" when it comes to the Queens english. And some Can"t put a sentence together,can"t spell,can"t punctuate, If we can weed out all these uncouth savages, and just have a group of us guys that are blessed with all the answers, just thank of what a swell time it would be on this forum. We really need to work on this, but rat now, I have to go get new caisson"s put on my truck, cause I can just about see the air in these..

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Dave (IL)

02-15-2005 08:45:30

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Farmall was often used generically. Fridgidare, Piper Cub, IBM.

Trademarks and brand names are valuable intangible assetts to a corporation. Officers must exercise "due dilignece" to protect such assets or they might be sued by stockholders.

You might think that McDonalds suing the mom and pop hamburger stand for their Mac sandwich is heavy handed corporate greed, but they are just doing their job.

Coming from someone who recently purchased a brand new NH "skid steer" and trying to figure out how to advertise locally without saying "Bobcat" :)

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Paul in Mich

02-15-2005 07:42:41

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Sort of reminds me of the story of the construction crew doing some work within listening distance of the convent. Their language was getting quit rough and so the Holy Mother decided it was time to go out and have a little talk with the workers. When she confronted the forman with her complaint that the workers were using inappropriate language, the forman said that he understood her complaint, but that the guys were used to calling a "spade a spade". To this the Mother Superior replied that if they had called a "spade a spade", she wouldnt have been there. It was that they kept calling it a "G*d D*med Shovel".

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mud

02-15-2005 07:06:46

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

tree spade? trench spade? tile spad? ace of spades? what?

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H Otis.

02-15-2005 07:03:55

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Yea, I agree. I'm going to print xerox copies of this post and give it to all of my friends.

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Lou

02-15-2005 06:57:35

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

I know a guy that calls an armada a ramada doesnt make him a bad person, but.

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Jay (ND)

02-15-2005 11:02:19

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to Lou, 02-15-2005 06:57:35

Oh - You"ve met my father in law. Tell him hi for me. Tell him my kids liked the new "Innuendo" game he got them for Christmas, too.

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Bill(Wis)

02-15-2005 06:41:45

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

I suggest one of you semi-retired fellows volunteer to be the website interpreter.

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BobMo

02-15-2005 06:37:39

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Hummmm, whats a tranny????? ????

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sammy the RED

02-15-2005 18:30:48

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to BobMo, 02-15-2005 06:37:39

I tink a "tranny" is sumptim that makes a Bow Tie run ?

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02-15-2005 07:21:38

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to BobMo, 02-15-2005 06:37:39

Thats a guy thats confused about the gear god equipped him with.

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Fawteen - DADGUMMIT!

02-15-2005 09:44:18

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to SJ, 02-15-2005 07:21:38

I just spit a mouthful of Ben & Jerry's finest all over my monitor!

ROFLMBO!

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Fawteen

02-16-2005 02:11:17

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to Van in AR, 02-15-2005 20:49:53

I eat what tastes good. I don't give a drizzly sh!t about their politics. If I only ate food grown/produced, transported and marketed by people I agreed with, I'd starve to death.

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thurlow

02-15-2005 06:27:28

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

I think this is one of those things that is beyond our power.....as individuals..... to influence, but there is a solution; we need to get the Federal Government involved (I know there are posters from many countries, but the majority seem to be from US); I suggest as a second step, an application for a grant to study the problem; you are probably closer to your district congressman than to your senator, so start with him. THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR STUDIES SUCH AS THIS!!!! The knowledge that there is a problem seems like pure common sense to "us", but there are those who think there are larger, more pressing problems, hence the need for involvement at the National Gov't level (this is beyond the capabilities of any local or State entity). Might I suggest as a first step a petition outlining the problem and suggested solutions..... ..... .I don't envision this ever being a criminal offense, but it could definitely lead to "cease and desist orders" or substantial fines on the civil side.

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HaySam

02-15-2005 06:06:32

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

How bout R O C COKE COLA

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James2

02-15-2005 05:48:25

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

When a trade marked name used as a generic label, I tend to see this as a complement to the manufacturer. Obviously if the trade mark name is widely known as the generic equivalent, the manufacturer must have done as pretty good job!

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paul

02-15-2005 05:34:09

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

I agree with you - but do it as well. I've never asked for a 'facial tissue' in my life. :)

I call heavy mowers 'brush hogs' as much as possible, then someone chewed out that particular forum for being stoopid people, because using such a genaric term sure showed the lower intelligence of people, anyone knowledgable would call them Brush Hogs..... I didn't bother replying. :)

Different strokes, I agree with you - but doesn't bother me much either way. :)

--->Paul

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snitkawl

02-15-2005 05:05:09

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

How about all crawler tractors are "Caterpillers" and I have an Uncle who calls all forklifts "Hysters".

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Vern-MI

02-16-2005 05:44:22

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to snitkawl, 02-15-2005 05:05:09

I thought Crawlers were Dozers. Maybe that was the term for the driver.

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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2005 04:57:45

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

M H Man: I know what your saying, when I first came to YT couldn't imagine what all these guys were using Bush Hogs for. In my hometown the Bush Hog dealer probably put out 10 times the weight of steel in disk harrows as all other Bush Hog implements combined.

This mis using of trade names does have some benefit on discussion forums. It lets you know who is well informed and who's not. Even pick out the outright idiots.

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sammy the RED

02-15-2005 02:12:02

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

Did you ever call an adjustable wrench a "Cresent Wrench" ? [Should be called a Stillson]

How anout a "Kleenex" for a facial tissue, then you grabed a "Puffs"

Have you ever said "It's Miller Time" and then opened a Bud ?

If you were out "Harrowing" a field, what would YOU be doing ?

I say, differant strokes for differant folks.

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R. John Johnson

02-14-2005 21:39:58

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Re: Let's call a spade a spade in reply to M H Man, 02-14-2005 19:58:11

I hear you. I used to work for a skid steer manufacturer. Nobody knows what a "skid steer loader" is but everyone knows what a "Bobcat" is. Used to make you feel a foot tall to have to use the competition"s brand name to get people to understand what you are talking about.

John

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