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1940 drawbar safety law?

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Dave (IL)

02-21-2005 09:03:33




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In my earlier thread about flip overs, there were some references to "after 1940 all drawbars were engineered ..... ....".

I have seen similar references before during my tractor surfing, but wasn't as focused on them.

Does anybody know what that references? A law? A standard? I have been unable to find any specific references.

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Dave IL




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jCarroll

02-22-2005 13:45:22




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to Dave (IL), 02-21-2005 09:03:33  
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This link points to one of the ASAE drawbar standards for wheeled tractors. It will give you an idea of what a design standard is; in this case, location of hitch point with respect to tire contact.

As an Ag Engr graduate 40 years ago, I will tell you that overturning by pulling on a properly positioned drawbar doesn't happen. As the front of the tractor rises, the overturning moment decreases, and the tipping action ceases. This is NOT the case of a plow snagging a stone where momentum is the principle force. I know this bothers your sense of intuition, but only hitch to a properly positioned drawbar, and you'll be OK.

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Dave (IL)

02-22-2005 17:19:44




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to jCarroll, 02-22-2005 13:45:22  
Thanks for the link. I've been to that site. Unfortunately I have to be a member to get the doc.

I agree with you that the pull alone will not flip the tractor with a properly attached load. However, when you state it can't happen, it's a bit misleading, because you are disregarding the additional flipping force due to power and traction. If you have the traction and the load is keeping the tractor from moving forward, then torque will do you in.

Longitudinal stability is NOT just a function of drawbar geometry. It is also a function of tractive coefficient. See pages 140-145 of the reference book link.

While these conditions might rarely exist in the real world. Telling people it CAN'T flip is dangerously misleading. Extreme traction conditions (we know they can flip if frozen down) and modifications to the weight - fluid in tires and wheel weights - can be just as deadly as hitch point modifications.

CAUTION - The referenced link is to a VERY large pdf.

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Jery/MT

02-22-2005 19:03:21




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to Dave (IL), 02-22-2005 17:19:44  
You've got the picture Dave! It isn't necessarily about the hitch. Lock the rear wheels of a 2WD machine (like parking in mud which subsequently freezes) and try to go forward and the machine will have the tendency to flip on its back. The same is true if one hooks to an "immovable object" and maintains traction. If you have bald tires or have slick mud you might get away with it but if you are "geared to the ground", you'll flip. I agree with you! People should always realize that they can flip therir tractor over under some realistic circumstances and all tractor users should be aware of the potential for this kind of accident.

I'd like to down load the link yo sent but I don't have the time this evening. The wording you have used in you note makes me believe that it's contained in that reference.

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Dave (IL)

02-22-2005 19:46:31




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to Jery/MT, 02-22-2005 19:03:21  
Yep. Just click on that link and it will open the pdf, all 2 megabytes of it. It's a 165 page engineering textbook. Have fun!



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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2005 02:11:04




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to Dave (IL), 02-21-2005 09:03:33  
Dave: Jerry just gave me a thought on what you are looking for. Do a bit of digging at the Nebraska test lab. If it involved engineers it is probably archived at Nebraska.

I have to agree with Jerry on the idea of this not being law. The IH fast hitches especially the one point on the offset tractors would never complied with any laws regarding flip up. Same would be true with the little Fords and Fergies that used a cross bar in the 3 point for a drawbar. Very useful items but ones requiring extreem caution.

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Dave (IL)

02-22-2005 07:42:40




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 02:11:04  
I looked pretty hard at that site and haven't found it yet. Also looked at ASAE, but that's mostly stuff you have to purchase. I'll keep looking. It seems to be a common comment.

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Jerry/MT

02-21-2005 20:19:03




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 Re: 1940 drawbar safety law? in reply to Dave (IL), 02-21-2005 09:03:33  
Not sure but I'll bet it wasn't a law. The American Society of Ag Engineers or some such body that sets design standards for farm equipment probably set up a standard regarding drawbar design.



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