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Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe

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farmermatt

02-23-2005 12:02:21




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Im looking for a digital camera, to take pictures of tractors so I guess it does apply to this room. Does anyone have a favorite brand/model? Any recomendations for resolution and memory? I have a PDA (handheld pc) so Im not too worried about having difficulty storing pictures from a trip or something. Im rather new at photography and maybe alittle behind the technology these days so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance
Matt

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Joe Evans

02-23-2005 21:46:43




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
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Here's a shot I took at the Power Show in Louisville KY last Friday with a Fuji FinePix E510. It's 5.1 megapixel and 3x optical zoom. With a 128MB card, it cost $350 out the door.

Unfortunately, I've got some settings effed up and most of my photos from Louisville turned out blurry. Really need to get that resolved.

What's nice about 5.1 megapixels is that you can crop the bejeezer out of a photo and still have good quality. I was utterly fascinated with the pull-back/spotting tractors at the tractor pull in Louisville. I was able to zoom in and crop into a pretty detailed look at a slicker-than-snot-on-a-pump handle tow bar the pull back honchos were using from up in the nose bleed seats.

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jc

02-24-2005 09:29:33




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Joe Evans, 02-23-2005 21:46:43  
Great pic. You made me homesick for the show. Missed last year for the first time in twentyfive years and didn't go this year either.



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Ralph Roggenbuck

02-23-2005 23:05:13




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 Digital cameras in reply to Joe Evans, 02-23-2005 21:46:43  
5.2 is terrific. Get as much OPTICAL ZOOM as you can find. Get standard recharagble batteries and get a standard card---not brand specific.----- -then get a card reader rather than trying to download to acomputer and you will love it! the sd cards are very small and the 512 mg has come to below 50$ for $350 or so you can get a great outfit. I do some freelance writng/photography and love mine.. Make sure to get one without a brand specific memory card.

I carry my extra sd cards and an extra battery in an "Altoids" tin. My only complaint on mine is that it doesn't use standard recharageable batteries.

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Bill Drew

02-23-2005 19:12:32




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
If you are going to take pictures of tractors in good light only to be put on the web or to print no larger than 4x6", just about any camera better than a BarbieCam will do the job for you.

The hard part of digital photography is editing - th e digital "darkroom". So get a cheap camera, learn how to print, how to upload downsized images, adjust this & that, ... After you have done that for a while, you will have a much better idea of what your next (if any) camera should be.

I'd suggest one of the cameras that can fit in your shirt pocket. Even if you get a better camera later, you will still have a use for it.

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Bob - MI

02-23-2005 16:21:02




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Bought my daughter a Samsung at Target for Christmas. 4.0 megapix and she loves it. Shelled out a whole $100.00 for it. Got a SD card (256) also on sale for $14.00. I think that holds about 50 images so in all for > $125.00 it"s great for her. As others have said optical zoom is worth spending more for. I did some level of research before I bought this and the Fuji was highly rated. You can do a search for "digital camera ratings" and get some good advice.

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Allan in NE

02-23-2005 13:46:26




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Hi Matt,

I've been wanting a new camera since forever, but just can't justify the cost.

I use this very old Canon Power Shot.

Allan

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Mike (WA)

02-24-2005 08:19:29




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Allan in NE, 02-23-2005 13:46:26  
That's one funny lookin' camera, Allan. Is the nickel lens cover an extra cost option? Mine is just cheap plastic ;>)



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Joe MD

02-23-2005 13:56:11




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Allan in NE, 02-23-2005 13:46:26  
Would have been better if you gave us your 2 cents.



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ShepFL

02-23-2005 13:35:55




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Mine is an old one so I have nothing to add about the newer ones. Good lighting is the key to photography. Here is a link I check from time to time.



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thurlow

02-23-2005 13:25:09




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Asked the same question..... on here....about a year ago; got much the same answers you're getting. Wound up getting a Fuji 3.2 meg (probably 95% of my pictures are taken at .3 [point 3 meg]), just because it had the best price when I was ready to buy. Only thing I would add/reinforce; get a card reader, get a camera with rechargable "generic" batteries. Some cameras require an expensive battery which can't be purchased off the shelf.

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RustyFarmall

02-23-2005 13:15:14




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
While we are on this subject, somebody needs to learn how to reduce the size of their pictures before posting them. The first picture won't even fit on my screen. Not picking on anyone, so don't take it that way, please.



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Joe MD

02-23-2005 13:22:24




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-23-2005 13:15:14  
Try again. Sorry dial up people.



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mj

02-23-2005 15:32:58




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Joe MD, 02-23-2005 13:22:24  
I don't know Joe, it was normal to me....maybe somebody needs to retune their monitor settings.



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Rod (NH)

02-23-2005 16:02:21




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to mj, 02-23-2005 15:32:58  
No monitor retuning needed. Rusty was correct in his assessment. The image has been changed. At first it was 1280x1024 (1.3 megapixel), 350+K in size and required significant scrolling for most viewers to see it all. It is now 600x480 (0.29 megapixel) and 86K in size - quite appropriate for net posting. It now gives more respectful consideration to those with dialup access and those w/o huge monitors running high resolutions. It wasn't before.

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RustyFarmall

02-23-2005 13:32:26




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Joe MD, 02-23-2005 13:22:24  
It didn't take that long to load onto my screen, no problem there. What I am saying is that it simply is too large, it won't fit my screen.



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RAB

02-23-2005 13:10:53




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Not an expert but we have a couple. The Canon Power Shot @ 4 meg is great for detail - but my lady needs that for photographing fine lace detail, particularly Milanese. It"s a couple of years old now and has been under-utilised, as most of the knobs, dials and switches are rarely used and most shots are taken at much less than full resolution.
My other one is a cheapy which I can slide in a pocket, takes good "snaps" and is perfectly adequate for most things. For arranged shots of tractors, most any good camera that you like will do. For that odd shot at distance, where you need to electronically enlarge a tiny portion of the frame, say, for that beaming smile of the driver, extra pixels are a must. As said below a good optical zoom is just as, or more, important than pixels.
The thing I would look for is a short a "lock" time as possible - the time from pressing the button to it actually taking the pic - digi cams are not a patch on the old film cams for that, but you can, of course take a whole sequence and then immediately discard all but the best.
Regards, RAB

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Joe MD

02-23-2005 12:57:32




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
As with picking tractors . . . depends on what you want to do. This is a beginner photo with a really expensive 6 pixel camera. You should have seen the full size.



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Bob M

02-23-2005 12:38:06




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
I’ve shot a LOT of digital images the last several years – over 20,000 last time I checked.

My preferred camera is Olympus. Consistently outstanding image quality, plus robust construction and long battery life. But I’ve also had very good luck with Canon, also with Kodak (which are actually made by Chinon).

As for resolution, the HIGHEST resolution camera I own is 2.1 megapixels. My experience is unless you’re gonna consistently be making prints 11 x 14 and larger, or you have lot’s of storage space in your PDA, a 3 meg camera suit you fine. Rather than spending $$ on more megapixels, invest it instead on a larger optical zoom, a couple extra memory cards and a spare set of rechargeable batteries.

Punch below for sample tractor (and some other...) images.

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mj

02-23-2005 15:29:01




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Bob M, 02-23-2005 12:38:06  
Hey, Bob! How you been??....over.



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Bob M

02-23-2005 19:03:14




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to mj, 02-23-2005 15:29:01  
Good Mike! How about yourself?? ...Bob



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Coloken

02-23-2005 12:43:31




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Bob M, 02-23-2005 12:38:06  
Love that International truck with the end dump. #2 under truck show. Would post a link to it if I wern't lazy.



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Bob M

02-23-2005 12:50:02




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Coloken, 02-23-2005 12:43:31  
I kinda liked that truck myself. How'd you like to wind up that dump mechanism with a load of crushed stone in the box?!!

Note the image was shot with the 2100UZ at 1600 x 1200, then reduced to 640 x 480 for posting into the album.



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Bobl58

02-23-2005 12:33:13




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
I think the main advice I would give is if you figure on using the camera quite often you should absoutely get one with the plug in rechargable battery if you can. Saves having to buy batteries, or taking them out to recharge. My first was a Fuji and it ate batteries like mad. My next was a newer Fuji and I love it.



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mj

02-23-2005 12:24:47




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
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Megapixels ????.....Here's one taken with an Olympus Brio D-100 (1.3 Mega-pixies) on Standard (not High or Super-High quality) setting....I don't know.....what do you think?



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Coloken

02-23-2005 12:34:52




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 nice in reply to mj, 02-23-2005 12:24:47  
Nice picture...proves my point. Most important thing with digital camers is to get the light on the subject



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Coloken

02-23-2005 12:20:16




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
I'm not about to recomend a make. Just want to say that megapixcels are not near as important as some camera people would have you think. Unless you want to take professionsl, full page pictures. One or two megapixels will do very nicely for things like photo ads. Most pictures sent on the web are 640 by 480. I highly recomend getting a "card reader" to read the memory cards. Saves hooking up the camera to the computer. What do I use?..a out of production Olympus 2100UZ with 10 power optical zoom for wild life stuff. 2.1 meg pix and image stabiliation.

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Zane(WA)

02-23-2005 13:43:12




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Coloken, 02-23-2005 12:20:16  
Jeez, this is like those other posts of someone asking which is the best tractor. But here goes... Like Coloken and Bob M my preferred digital is an Olympus for their shared reasons. The drawback to an Olympus is the instruction manual, it'll point you in the direction you might want to go, but it won't get you there without a lot of trial and error (like many of the digitals). I've bought four digitals, two for myself (Olympus 2100UZ and 720UZ), one HP320 for The Daughter (she likes it) and two for work (Olympus 2100UZ and an older Sony 'something' with the compact disk). I'm no expert with or about any of them other than to say I prefer the Olympus cameras for image quality, battery life and it'll take a set of off the shelf batteries instead of the higher cost 'maker replacement batteries' and the Olympus had the best bang for the buck at the time.
Two things are for certain with any digital camera, keep them from getting wet and they don't hold up well when run over by a tractor (lost the first 2100UZ that way). Might try the link below (if I did it right) otherwise go to DPREVIEW.COM and wade through.

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Rod (NH)

02-23-2005 12:56:59




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Coloken, 02-23-2005 12:20:16  
I fully agree. The emphasis on pixel size is way overblown for most users. For posting on the net or for viewing on your screen, 640x480 resolution (<1/3 megapixel) is entirely adequate. In fact, 640x480 should be considered the maximum resolution for posting on the net unless you 1) enjoy making others scroll all around to see your entire picture, 2) hate people with only dialup access and like to punish them or 3) want bragging rights about "bigger is better".

I have found that a 640x480 native picture will even print out quite well at 4x6. A 2 or 3 megapixel picture will print out very well at 8x10. Not many non-pros will print out bigger than 8x10 (or even have a printer that can do it). Unless you make a habit of looking at your prints with a magnifying glass, there is no real advantage for most to go bigger than 2 or 3 megapixel. The only advantage to bigger that I can see is if you want to crop and blow up the crop - in essence to increase your "effective" zoom capacity.

As far as brand - it's a chevy vs ford peeing contest. Features and "usability" are more important. Some of the cameras have such small buttons that people with relatively large hands have some difficulty using them.

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Bob M

02-23-2005 12:44:53




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Coloken, 02-23-2005 12:20:16  
Coloken - Right on the 2100UZ! (I own one too...)

I have yet to find another digital camera that even approaches the 2100 in overall performance. I cannot understand Olympus doesn't offer a followup model!



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Red Dave

02-23-2005 12:16:25




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Don't know a lot, but I have an older Hewlett-Packard that I dislike. It's hard to use and eats batteries like there's no tomorrow.
Got a Kodak for Christmas, not sure which model but it's the 4.0 megepixel one. I like it a lot, easy to use, lots of flexibility, but not overly complicated either. I would buy another.
I think the 5.0 megapixel version of it is out now too.



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Harley

02-23-2005 15:57:58




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to Red Dave, 02-23-2005 12:16:25  
Hey Dave, I had one of those. About 6 pictures and then change batteries. The kids got me a new one the other day and it is a Sony, 4.1 megapix's, and about $250.00. Has way more settings than I will ever be smart enough to use but seems to work pretty good. Harley



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ben uk

02-23-2005 12:09:29




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 Re: Digital Camera Advice OT.................maybe in reply to farmermatt, 02-23-2005 12:02:21  
Somewhere around 3 megapixel will be fine for A4 pictures.

Brands, just dont buy sony! I have a kodak which is ok.



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