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Choices on beginner Lawn tractor

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Monte Fontenot

03-09-2005 21:54:06




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I have come to the conclusion to buy a riding mower. I have back problems and pretty bad luck with self propelled mowers.

I started shopping the last week and have settled on 2 units but I am open to anyones insight. I would love to get some input on these.

First unit I got from Lowes is a Troy Built Super Bronco with 21hp Vtwin Intec Briggs. It has a 42 inch deck with with the option for Deck washer plug (at this time I can not find the deckwasher part though). It is automatic with mow in reverse (with lever at fender).

I am pretty happy with the unit power and speed but feel like I might be making a mistake. So I was thinking of exchanging it for...

Cub Cadet LT 1042 with 19 hp Kohler motor with 42inch, auto with mow in reverse(at foot pedal) and deck washer installed.

My questions is should I worry about this? Both are made by MTD from what I understand. The Troy is 1499 and the CC is 1599. Both have the exact chassis and body (not hood).

Does the 19 vs 21hp make a difference? The Kohler says its quieter and smoother than others but is that true with the Vtwin Briggs? Is the deck washer worth it?
Does the plastic hood make a diffrence?
Cost for repair if anything happens big different?

Any input would be great.

Thanks
Monte

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Joel Whitehead

03-31-2006 09:46:45




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
I just had to speak up for Briggs and Stratton engines, I bought an M.T.D from Lowes over 15 years ago with the Lowes name on it and it is still cutting grass and using no oil, I have replaced two belts and two blades in that time but the deck is rusting out and I don't seem to be able to find another one if someone can help with I will greatly appreciate it. Thanks



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Scott KY

03-10-2005 14:51:24




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
I sell Cub Cadets at a local farm equipment dealer so I am familiar with them. First of all the Cub Cadet 10 series is a lighter built machine. It is very comperable to the troy bilt. My advice would be to buy the Cub Cadet from a servicing dealer. They will be the same price but will take care of any problems. Lowes will send you who knows where for service. Our store is under contract to take care of warranty problems for Lowes. Alot of problems we find on the prducts from Lowes are because the machine was not set up right. When you buy from a dealer you buy from someone who has been trained how to set up and maintain the machine properly. All that said if you still buy from Lowes I would go with the Cub Cadet because of the Kohler engine. If you can afford a little higher priced mower the 2000 series Cadets are almost bullitproof. They have a shaft driven transmission instead of a belt.

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CLW

03-10-2005 11:56:51




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
Monte, I just looked at May 2004 CONSUMER REPORTS where they tested lawn tractors. They rate the John Deere L110 first ($1800) and the Cub Cadet LT1018 ($1600) a very close second. They don't show the LT1042. The Troy-Bilt Bronco 13AJ609G ($1350)(no super bronco)was number 6 on the list of 17. The John Deere and Troy-Bilt were the two shown as "Best Buy". I like the Kohler on 17HP or above. That said I have never had a problem with a Briggs in my 50 years using them. I have a Kohler 17.5 in a 3 year old 42 in. cut Deere and a 12 Briggs in a OLD Craftsman (12 years at least) and the Craftman will cut grass just as good as the Deere, just not as fast becouse it don't have the more modern transmission.
CLW

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Norbo

03-10-2005 08:32:36




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
Monte
An important thing to consider is the front axle. It really needs to be cast iron. The tubular axles tend to elongate the bushing holes after just a couple years. You need to be able to turn the thing.



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Norbo

03-10-2005 08:30:58




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
Monte
An important thing to consider is the front axle. It really needs to be cast iron. The tubular axles tend to elongate the bushing holes after just a couple years. You need to be able to the thing.



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JT

03-10-2005 07:18:21




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
I am not going to weight in on the quality of them, I like 'em both, they make me fair amount of money in upkeep and parts sales. That said, if you have back problems, you WILL regret buying these size of tractors with the small tires. the small tractor, with short wheel base, smaller tires, will beat you and make your back hurt like the dickens when you are done mowing.



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Bob T.

03-10-2005 07:09:09




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
I have looked at the Troy Bilt like you describe. Seems to be the best made for a cheaper store brand. Believe it or not, the CUb Cadet(even though it's made by MTD and is identical to the Troy Bilt) will still have better resale value. I have found that a lot of people are willing to pay for the Cub name, since it has been renowned as the best lawn tractor since the 60s. I bet if you did go with the cub for $1,600, you could mow with it for 5 years and still sell it for $400-$500. $250 year cost doesn't seem bad. Providing you don't mow 10 acres a year with it or something. Unless of course you plan on driving it until it is totally worn out.

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Brian in NY

03-10-2005 06:36:40




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
Well, as far as I know the Troy Built and the Cub Cadet are of the same lineage, and the cheaper Cubs don't have shaft drive in em. Since you already have the Troy Built (do I understand correctly?)I would stick with it if you like it. The only difference you would see with the Cub is the Kohler motor which I would personally prefer, but maybe the v-twin briggs will be fine. Myself I bought a John Deere L110 last year. I shopped the Troy Built, Cubs, Sears, Husqvarna, etc...and decided that I liked the dealer support and design of the JD the best. It has a 17.5 hp Kohler, 42 inch deck, hydro shift, and I couldn't be happier for what I paid for it ($1700 I think)...heck if I had bought a more substantial tractor would have had to make payments and I think this will last me 10 years at least.

I wouldn't pay more for a deck cleanout nozzle...those things don't work near as well as getting the tractor up on ramps and hosing it down with a pressure washer.

Good luck and enjoy whatever you end up with.

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Bob - MI

03-10-2005 06:09:46




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
Interestingly, I happened to visit an MTD plant about 8 months ago and the guy I was with asked the plant manager about best overall value and performance for the size tractor that you are describing. His answer was the Troy-Built model. His reasoning was that for the money they had some of the more robust part designs of all those other MTD products. The guy that asked the question bought the Troy Built and is really happy with it.

The cub has shaft drive and that elininates one more belt and pulley to replace. So far as Kohler and Briggs, I have never owned a Kohler but I know there is a fierce loyalty to the brand.

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dr.sportster

03-10-2005 05:03:45




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
In the previous discussion guys were talking about easy to work on.Well I dont have time to work on an old lawn tractor to mow the lawn.I also dont know the best but heres my opinion and experience;Had a used Snapper{small]that lasted five years,no problems,used Crafstman[Tecumsah 5] lasted three required some repairs[annoying stuff].Bought20 hp Craftsman end of season sale $1300.Briiggs ;DRINKS too much gas, no problems yet.Will junk it when done with it.Also saw a sears 17 hp at a yard sale for400.new with grass catcher.The sears are probably throw aways when old.[I save everything]Ive also tried the ignore the tall grass system that works well.Sears has fancy cupholder too.

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dr.sportster

03-10-2005 05:24:11




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to dr.sportster, 03-10-2005 05:03:45  
I forgot the opinion part;All the sears tractors are not that great and the little Snapper was a good machine.Also new ones of all brands have more saftey features.It does not take twenty horsepower to mow the lawn.Im wasting too much fuel.



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dr.sportster

03-10-2005 05:27:28




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to dr.sportster, 03-10-2005 05:24:11  
One other thing ;If you dont like getting on and off the twenty horse will mulch sticks and beer cans on the lawn.



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Nebraska Cowman

03-10-2005 04:31:46




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
If you have back problems you DON"T want a riding mower with small tires. either keep your yard small and use a push mower or get some kid to do it.



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Nolan

03-10-2005 03:32:40




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
I've had several V-twin B&S over the years. Pretty consistently they've had lousy carburetors and run very rough at idle and low rpms. B&S may have fixed that in recent years.

On a general note, having nothing to do specifically with these machines:

1. Consider turning radius. Particularly a zero turn radius machines. If you're going to be circling trees and manuevering around sheds and garden plots and such the turning radius of a machine becomes very significant. The wider a turning circle the more you're going to need to use a hand mower, and that's just a pain.

2. Consider how it shifts. The harder it is to shift the less willing you'll be to do it. Those variable speed hydrostat units are wonderfull, and you'll change speed and reverse in a heartbeat, where with the hand lever type, you'll find yourself doing all kinds of things to avoid shifting.

3. Consider weight balance if you've got slopes or want to push snow. Front engine machines do very poorly on hills and such, and are a real bear to lift out when they get stuck in a hole or such. A rear engine unit has much better traction. It also has a much lighter nose.

4. Make sure deck width is right for you. I like large decks also. But, it limits where you can go. If you've got lots of areas where you need to snake a mower through, a big deck prevents you from doing the job. There's a whole lot of my yard I can't do with my 44" deck.

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JoeK

03-10-2005 01:51:07




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to Monte Fontenot, 03-09-2005 21:54:06  
In my book your cost difference is for the Kohler,even though smaller.They are a better rated and more costly engine than the Briggs.Sounds like both are pretty well matched,and either should handle a 42 deck w/o problems.Both are MTD products and may well share components.The deck washer is a handy thing,allowing you a safe point to inject water under the running deck.Basically its a female hose end installed in a hole in the deck,some have a directional nozzle hole(s) just beneath the deck to direct the flushing water.Twer' me,I'd prolly go with the Cub/Kohler,unless the dealer wanted to sweeten the pot on the Troy,like free extended warranty or reducing the final price,eating the tax or such.A free spare belt/blades is nice too :)

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Monte Fontenot

03-10-2005 09:34:51




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 Re: Choices on beginner Lawn tractor in reply to JoeK, 03-10-2005 01:51:07  
Well thanks for the great info.

Let me clear a few things up. I'm pretty tall and my back problems are muscle spasm related, that being said the issue with push/self propelled is the height of them. I tend to end up hunching over them to much. It takes me 1 hour constant to mow at a very fast pace with push/propelled mower and then 45 mins to weedeat and blow off. I mowed for the first time with the Troy Bilt yesterday and it took almost no time to mow (and was alot more fun :) and afterwards my back was great. Definatly happy with the riding vs pushing aspect.


After the first mowing the Super Bronco did pretty good. I have a pretty bumpy lawn (just bought the house 6 months ago) and had some tough areas for scapling. The Troy Bilt has two rear anti scalp wheels vs the Cub has 4 anti scalp wheels. I think that might be a factor for me.

Engine, the Vtwin B&G 21hp was fine and was pretty smooth. I wonder if I could tell the difference between the Kohler 19hp unit handling and power wise?

Resale, I do think the Cub will have a better resale after 5 years or so. Even though the Troy Bilt and Cub are almost 100% the same unit. Both have the same chassis, front end and wheels. What seems different is the hood (plastic for Cub like JD), battery location (rear on Troy) and reverse foot pedal for Cub.

I think today after doing some reading I might decide and get my mind made up.

I have 30 days from Lowes to exchange for the Cub. It will end up costing me about $150 to go with Cub.

Another option is last years model Cub Cadet. It has the same body/chassis just lacks the deck washer and has a B&S instead of Kohlor but only costs 1299. The Troy was 1499 and the new cub is 1599. Any of the above come with trailer, so its not to bad of a deal.

Thanks

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