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Ford V8 in M Farmall

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SMTAD

03-11-2005 17:46:52




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I am wanting to put a 289 Ford engine in my M Farmall for a tractor cruise tractor. Does anyone know what problems might arrive when mating the M flywheel to the 289? I would like to retain this flywheel so I could use the M starter. Thanks for any help.




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john d

03-15-2005 18:52:15




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to SMTAD, 03-11-2005 17:46:52  
About 40 years ago I was in college with a guy whose dad had a Ford dealership and his uncle had an IH dealership in the same small town. He used to spend his summers putting Ford 390 and 406 V8 engines in Farmall M tractors for local farmers. I think he even poked a big Ford V8 in a W9 once. Don't know what problems might come with later engines, but if you have time and a torch, you can put about anything in an M!

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Buzzman72

03-12-2005 12:13:34




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to SMTAD, 03-11-2005 17:46:52  
My FIRST impulse is to ask why you'd wanna cross up the DNA of a perfectly good Farmall, especially when IHC built so many varieties of good low-rpm torque motors, all the way up to the V-605 gas V8. But then the hot rodder in me asks, "Why NOT?"

As long as the flywheel will physically fit in the M bellhousing, and the 289 balance situation mentioned below is dealt with--neither of which should be an insurmountable problem--I think the final product would be a HOOT to run...just don't know how practical it would be. But then, I guess you didn't ASK about practical [the 289 being a short-stroke motor and therefore NOT a torquemonster is what brings this to mind], so that'd be entirely up to you, as it well should be.

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the tractor vet

03-11-2005 20:58:41




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to SMTAD, 03-11-2005 17:46:52  
Never put a 289 in one but we have used 460 ford and 500 inch Caddy 's and there was one with a 549 I H v8 and used the stock flywheels of the m's with and adapter and redrilled the stock back engine plate to match the back of the V 8 . Had a 390 Ford G T in a oliver 88 now that was a fun road tractor but the state patrol did not have a sence of humor about it. Ya can't run a SMV sign on it and go over 25 mph, can't get plates for it because it does not have a title. But they did sound neat.

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Jon H

03-11-2005 20:43:34




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to SMTAD, 03-11-2005 17:46:52  
One problem other than the crankshaft flange difference,is that the 289 is an external balance engine. Part of the crankshaft balance on a 289 is built into the flywheel,so the M nuteral balance flywheel would have to be balanced to 289 specs.

You might be able to clamp a 289 automatic transmission flexplate between the 289 crankshaft and the M flywheel so the balance weight on the flexplate supplies the correct balance for the engine.
I used that method to repower two Oliver tractors with Chevy 454 engines. They are an external balance engine like the 289. The 454 flexplate added the correct balance to the nuteral balance oliver flywheel,plus it allowed me to use a chevy block mounted starter to crank the engine.

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txblu

03-12-2005 05:13:23




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to Jon H, 03-11-2005 20:43:34  
Have any pics of your handy work. What size tractors? Bet it looks good. How does it perform? Got enough torque?

Mark



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Jon H

03-12-2005 08:28:24




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to txblu, 03-12-2005 05:13:23  
The Olivers are a 1950T and a 2150. Original HP was 100-120 range. The engines are 454's with 366 small chamber heads. These give a bit over 10/1 compression which works great for HD5 propane motor fuel. We used Crower"economy" camshafts in them,they are a short duration cam that makes great torque in the 1000-1800 rpm range. We mounted Pierce belt drive governors set to run at the stock 2400 rpm so speed sensative stuff like the pto would work.
The tractors put out 150 pto hp and are great pullers. Lugging those old engines down from the normal 2400 to 16-1800 while pulling through a hard spot would get the front wheels dangling in the air. Those old olivers were great tractors with poor engines,especially those little 310's in the 1950T. With the chevy engines they are almost bullet proof. I have well over 6000 hrs on them since the conversion,with the only repairs being new pushrods/rocker arms at 4000 hrs. They are what I started farming with 25-30 years ago before I had the money to suppliment them with larger/better tractors. Now the 1950T serves as a loader tractor,and the 2150 has a front mounted snow blower.

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ol George

03-12-2005 12:54:49




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to Jon H, 03-12-2005 08:28:24  
Would you happen to have some pic's you could share with the rest of us. I would like to see what you have done.



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Jon H

03-12-2005 15:04:18




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to ol George, 03-12-2005 12:54:49  
Glad to post some pictures if someone will tell me what I have to do. I find it easy to drag a picture from a file on my computer to a post on the New ag talk site,but have no idea how to post one here.



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Jon H

03-12-2005 16:05:13




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 Re: Ford V8 in M Farmall in reply to Jon H, 03-12-2005 15:04:18  
I fumbled my way through it,and got my Oliver pictures posted on the todays tractors photo gallery.



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