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Kerry Florence

03-15-2005 09:14:03




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I need to haul some implements from now and then, what is the minimum SAFE size for a truck and a trailer for up to 12-14000 pounds, or do I just need to hire a semi? Thanks, Kerry




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Hugh MacKay

03-16-2005 03:22:43




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to Kerry Florence, 03-15-2005 09:14:03  
Kerry: I've had various truck and trailer combinations over the years. Lightest being a single wheel 3/4 pickup with 16' tandem car hauler to heavy of a single axle highway tractor with 40' tandem trailer with air brakes. Regardless of various jurisdiction laws, if some part of that vehicle fails and you become involved in an accident, your in trouble. What authorities are going to look at more so than their own laws, did you exceed the manufacturers rating on any part on the combination of truck or trailer.

Here is the kicker in my opinion. One ton dualies are little more than a 3/4 pickup with dual wheels. To buy a new one equiped for trailering you will come within 10% of price of s/a highway tractor equiped with air brakes. I have even seen situation where the one ton dually cost more. The highway tractor will be very close on fuel efficiency and over the years cost less on repairs. Now if your going for a used unit you'll probably buy the highway tractor for less.

Next, after you've had air brakes, anything less will seem like throwing a lasso around the nearest tree for stopping. My guess is probably 75% of pickups and dualies with fifth wheel or bumper hitch trailers shouldn't even be on the highways.

Then it comes right down to how much you plan to use it. If semis will do your moves for under $3,000. per year, that isn't going far towards keeping your trailer on the road.

One other matter and this became my problem with the single axle highway tractor, people where always wanting to hire it, thus it was never home when I wanted it. I had 3 trailers, and found myself on numerous ocasions hiring a tractor to pull one of my trailers.

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kyhayman

03-15-2005 19:18:09




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to Kerry Florence, 03-15-2005 09:14:03  
More and more I find myself using a towing company to haul these size loads. Occassionally I'll put 14,000 on a 20,000# trailer and pull behind a pick up for the 8 miles between farms but any more weight or distance and I just hire it. I've got a 15,000# trailer and can borrow a 20K. No way I can justify the cost of the extra trailer (and extra truck if I pulled it very much) compared to what the towing company charges. They just moved a D5 for me, 36 miles, for $100 cash. Other posts are right, your state laws may vary for hauling within the state. Here its easy, farm plate on the truck gets you and your trailer to 38,000 (way more than either are rated). Hauling interstate makes it a lot more complicated.

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john in la

03-15-2005 19:15:52




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to Kerry Florence, 03-15-2005 09:14:03  
Should you get a truck or hire a semi????? ??
That depends on how much hauling you would want to do. As stated before a 14,000 lb load is going to take at least a 20,000 GVW trailer.

So now that the trailer and load are set you need to see what size truck will handle this.
I looked at This site on ford trucks. As you can see there is only one truck listed that is recommended for a 20,000 lb trailer. It is a F550 with a GCWR of 30,000 lb.

Now that puts you over the federal limits for a CDL of 26,000 lbs. So now you will need a CDL and all that comes with.

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thejdman01

03-15-2005 17:52:12




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to Kerry Florence, 03-15-2005 09:14:03  
anything over 10,001 lbs is considered a combination vehicle even with farm plates.. at least in illinois i know federally the 10001 lb but the farm plate i always thought i was exempt but the state cop disagreed with me



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Mydeere

03-15-2005 09:50:55




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to Kerry Florence, 03-15-2005 09:14:03  
Well your started in the right direction. You identified the size of load that you will be hauling. Now you need to figure out what size trailer is required to safely handle the load, which will dictate what size truck you need. As RustyFarmall has said, your most likely looking at a 20,000 lb trailer for your 14,000lb cargo. You have to remember that the weight of the trailer needs to be subtracted from the trailers GVW to give you the trailers capacity. A 20,000 lb trailer will weight anywheres from say 4500 lbs up to say 6000lbs or more depending on its construction. A trailer of this size will require at the minimum a 1 ton pickup to tow it. I would recommend a dually pickup with a trailer of this size as the dually is better equiped to handle this size trailer. Ie: larger brakes, heavier suspension, more rubber in contact with the road.

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RustyFarmall

03-15-2005 09:20:14




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to Kerry Florence, 03-15-2005 09:14:03  
If the machinery you will be hauling weighs 12,000 to 14,000 then you will need no less than a one ton truck and a trailer with minimum 20,000 capacity. You just simply cannot load 14,000# on a trailer that is rated for 14,000# and expect any kind of long life from the trailer.



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Kerry Florence

03-16-2005 07:12:31




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 Re: Hauling implements in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-15-2005 09:20:14  
Thank you guys alot, that answered all my questions, Kerry



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