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chrisfromsolitude

03-24-2005 20:08:42




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I just bought my first house and it has an old cistern on one side of the house. It's not used anymore but has water about 12 feet from the top. The house has a well. My question is should I fill it in or not. I have heard of people driving stuff over them and they have collapsed. I'm only going to be driving a lawn mower over it though. It is solid concrete and this thing is huge. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

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msb

03-25-2005 19:27:00




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 Re: O/T cistern Not so fast! in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
Ever thought about filling it up to about 8 feet from the top and using it as a storm cellar? Do you have a good place to go should a tornado come barreling down on you?



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chrisfromsolitude

03-26-2005 05:15:05




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 Re: O/T cistern Not so fast! in reply to msb, 03-25-2005 19:27:00  
I have a basement but that isn't a bad idea. Thanks



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chrisfromsolitude

03-25-2005 18:54:58




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
Thanks for everybodys thoughts. I think I might buitld a flower bed so I don't have to mow over it and use it to water the garden. Thanks again and have a nice day.



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aFORDable

03-25-2005 17:05:20




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
I have filled 5 up on our farm over the years. They can be a dangerous liability. As said before, use gravel only. It is a big no no to use trash or dirt.



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showcrop

03-25-2005 16:41:14




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
In thirty years on the fire dept i've been to failures of steel top tanks and wooden ones but never a concrete one. If you have hard water and a softener, running the regeneration water into it would save your septic system. likewise with your laundry. many potential safe uses.



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Chuck MI

03-25-2005 16:08:31




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
My grandpa built 3, all collected rain water. One is in the barn bank and gravity feeds water to the cattle. Other two at the house were pumped electrically after they got electricity in the 30's. All concrete, all solid. I wouldn't fill them in unless there is actual structural issues.

Chuck



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buickanddeere

03-25-2005 12:36:54




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
Is it sound or rotton and ready to cave in? Even if in good shape a post in the middle will limit roof flexing end extend it's life. I wonder how heavy those church women were who went though the cistern? We had two at home in the basements. One had a side wall lowered 20" and it now holds the home heating 200 gallon steel oil tank. The other cistern I removed one wall and it's used to increase firewood storage capacity.

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Ryan - WI

03-25-2005 07:57:14




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
I would say that it depends on where your house is. My parents had a large one at their house in town. The gutter system was plumbed to run into the systern and then that water was used (via pump) for tasks like watering the lawn, the flowers and washing the cars. That prevented paying city water taxes and utilities on water that would not be going down the sewer. Worked well for us. It will depend on your particular systern of course but most of them were built like a tank. (pun intended)

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T_Bone

03-25-2005 07:13:18




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
Hi Chris,

A cistern is nothing more than a under/above ground water storage tank. We use them here in AZ, all the time even with a well.

We pump the deep well into the cistern then use a pressure pump to supply water to the house. This system arangement does two things.

It manages water in wells that don't have alot of water production. You can use a pump timer to run the deep well pump slightly behind the time it takes for the water to replenish in the deep well. That way your deep well pump never pumps dry or sand.

Filling the cistren then can be done over a 24hr period thus yielding more demand usage as it's called for by the house demand.

If one would need alot of water fast, like for fire fightening, then a cistern can supply that water demand. We don't have a fire dept here, so this can help. In California when you get a permit to build a swimming pool you also give the Fire Dept the right to use that water cistern for fire fighting.

Most deep well pumps draw more wattage than pressure pumps so you save a few bucks on electricity.

A cistern can also be used where your using one deep well to supply more than one home. Our community wells are set up this way as well as most major cities. One of our deep well pumps 35gpm into three 15000gal tanks where 300 people draw water from. Even at 35gpm this deep well could not keep up with 300 homes if not for the cistern usage.

It costs less to replace a pressure pump than it does a deep well pump. On our community wells thats $7,000 for a deep well pump vs $600 for a pressure pump.

T_Bone

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Keith T

03-25-2005 07:03:47




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
I had one with a heavy concrete top that I used a friends backhoe to smash the topin and let fall in the hole ,then filled the rest with gravel and dirt .Now its a flower bed.



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kyhayman

03-25-2005 07:03:25




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
I filled all mine in when we got 'city water'. Most of them needed it but I had 2 that were as you describe, massive, solid, all concrete. Wish I had kept them. Our local fire dept will pay you rent (nominal), install a dry hydrant, and assume the liability for land owners to keep old cisterns for rural fire fighting water supply. Might be worth checking on. Also, unless your wells are really reliable you may wish you had kept it.

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Rauville

03-25-2005 05:20:30




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
I was at a farm auction once where the cistern was under the back porch. The same back porch that the local church ladies were serving lunch from. What a shock when the cistern cover gave away, and two of the ladies dropped into waist high water. No one was hurt but the auction stopped until a ladder could be located and everybody brought to the surface. Old cisterns are a real liability.



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Ricks41-9n

03-25-2005 04:58:18




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  

I would say if you are not going to use it fill it in. No sense taking a chance of someone falling in.Rick



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MarkB_MI

03-25-2005 04:31:24




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
If you fill it in, use gravel, not dirt, so you're certain it's filled it.



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Nebraska Cowman

03-25-2005 03:41:37




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
I'd suggest you get advice from someone who has seen it. if it is a solid as you say might not be and use disturbing it.



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37 chief

03-24-2005 23:14:10




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
We had one on the place with a wood top, my wife's aunt fell part way in and couldn't get out, until my dad found her, and helped her out. we filled it in. I would fill the the thing in if I were you. Stan



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fixerupper

03-24-2005 21:31:26




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 Re: O/T cistern in reply to chrisfromsolitude, 03-24-2005 20:08:42  
Fill it up. It is a liability you don't want. You probably know this, but cisterns can have a lethal gas in them so going down in there without checking it out is dangerous. Dad said that in the old days they would hang a chicken down there before they went in to clean it out. If the chicken came back up dead they knew they had better not go down there.



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