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No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter????

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MCL

03-27-2005 06:32:12




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Anybody out there ever no-tilled soybeans in 30" rows (or 36" or whatever)? Thinking of making some changes and cannot justify a planter and a drill or splitter at this time. I know weed control will be an issue. Anybody got any input?
Thanks.




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edchainsaw

03-27-2005 21:55:52




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
local part time farmer no-tills with a 4row 36in jd planter that dont have no-till coulters.

he drives over and splits the rows (yes folks that the same as planting 2 rows at a time) in some really really yellow clay ground

he has been really successfull over the years.

we have a no-till drill and have no-tilled corn and beans 30in rows ( we have not been very successfull over the years)

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Paul in Mich

03-27-2005 15:05:50




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
MCL, We no-till approximately 2,200 acres of soys every year. Like most farmers who No-till soys here in Mid Michigan we drill them (7" spacing). There are still a lot of farmers who till and plant in rows ranging from 15" to 30", but they also cultivate. No-till does better here being drilled because of weed control. driving over the plants do not seem to hurt them, in fact the shock often causes better growth. You don"t say whether your row planter is no-till or not. Ive seen guys try to no-till with a conventional row planter and it just doesnt work.

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Can't even use my name

03-27-2005 19:43:48




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to Paul in Mich, 03-27-2005 15:05:50  
Pretty much the same here in Northern IN. Most who no-till beans are using drills at 7" or 10" spacings and those who still conventional till plant in 30" rows... getting rarer though. I can remember when we used to plant all the corn and then use that same planter to plant all the beans, conventional system.... strictly no-till now. So as long as your planter is setup for no-till then is should work just fine. Forget about those weeds. Burn them down prior or just after planting then spray again after you get some back in the field but not too early or you will have to make another trip with the sprayer. You would be amazed at how much weed pressure you can have with minimual yield damage or bottom line damage. But don't wait too long either!

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Indydirtfarmer

03-27-2005 11:35:16




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
I'm already commited to 7" rows (drilled) on my soybeans this year, and 30" rows on the corn.

NEXT YEAR however.... I'll need to replace my drill after this year, OR try something different. Gonna need a new corn head for the combine by next year also.

SO.... Drill goes away, new 8 row X 20" corn head, and narrow the planter down to 20", then plant BOTH crops with ONE planter.

I've been studying the results of 20" corn for years. TEMPTING....

And for a litany of reasons, 20" beans look like the future to me. (Asian Rust being one BIG reason)

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Leroy

03-28-2005 17:08:15




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-27-2005 11:35:16  
Western Ohio, neighbor when AC came out with 20" corn systen went with it for few year, not too much succus, when 30" came out got rid of 20" and lot better crops, 20" was no good here



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DP

03-27-2005 12:54:38




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-27-2005 11:35:16  
Hi INDY, saw you post here and was wondering if you have bought that new tractor yet. If he buys, are you gonna be allowed to drive it? Also saw that you have managed to get things started back on track with your daughter. You have my prayers that things will continue to improve. Don



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Indydirtfarmer

03-27-2005 13:37:22




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to DP, 03-27-2005 12:54:38  
No new tractor... With everything that's going on, we decidd to let go of a farm we rented for the last 10 years. We cut down about 230 acres this year. Jason is going to have to do most of the planting. Not much help from ol' dad this year. We decided to stand pat for a year.

Things are far from over with Malisa, but we have her out of the mess she was in. Gotta go through ANOTHER messy divorce.

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R.J. Arnold

03-27-2005 08:14:29




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
Been planting soys in 30" rows but would like to narrow up can`t figure out how to with driving over planted rows. Draw bar only swings about 10" both directions anybody have suggestions?
Thanks R.J.



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JMS/MN

03-27-2005 13:10:00




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to R.J. Arnold, 03-27-2005 08:14:29  
You can use a splitter planter unit when planting beans, but eliminate the planter units behind the tractor rear wheels. Set up a cultivator the same way- maybe just one tooth between rows, but two or three behind the drive tires.



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Scotmac

03-27-2005 09:18:38




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to R.J. Arnold, 03-27-2005 08:14:29  
Lots of guys here have had success driving on an angle on your second pass, creating a "diamond pattern" when the beans emerge. Just back your population off about 1/3 if you try that. It does save seed cost because the planter will do a more accurate job of placing seed. Makes for nice combining, too. Use an upright or "semi bush" variety when doing so. Driving over the row on your second pass is not an issue.

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Bill(Wis)

03-27-2005 08:25:55




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to R.J. Arnold, 03-27-2005 08:14:29  
billyiron suggested making the second pass on a slant to the first. That might work better. You'd still be driving over planted rows but not all the time



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kyhayman

03-27-2005 08:00:29




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
First of all, I"m a no till and drill kind of guy. My best results in soybeans were in 40" conventional, 40" notil, and then 30" no til. Splitting rows with a 40 or 30" planter was a blazing disaster for me as the compaction on our heavy soils cut yields way more than the gain (25% yield loss). One reason that I had so much better luck with the wider rows is that it fits my wheel spacings so much better to go back in.

As far as weed control. I tank mixed a burn down of Roundup or Gramoxone with Canopy and Lasso MC (when I could get it) and Dual when I couldnt. Then over the top with Poast or Fusilade if I needed it. I never tried the RR, it came out after I went to forage type beans.

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billyiron

03-27-2005 07:29:41




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
lots of guys here notil ,roundup herbicide is used alot,some use a hebicide mixed with fertilizer put on first,then plant the beans,then come back with round up to get weed escapes after the beans are up aways,,all sorts of planters and drills are used,drills and split rows are used more so the beans shade in faster, you could plant double rows with yours just split or go at a slant to your first pass,,your planter will work fine,,,billy

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Gary Mckenzie

03-27-2005 07:22:28




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
Back in the '80s we double cropped winter wheat and soybeans using a set of Cole 400 series no till planters with decent results, but I don't remember the row width (32"?). We've lst the no-till assemblies, but are looking for more to use planting silage corn. We did try a JD no-till set up, but they didn't perform well in wheat stubble. I think the JD would have done fine in a minimum till situation.

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Scotmac

03-27-2005 07:21:03




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
I have no-tilled soybeans in 30" rows for a number of years with good success. Just make sure you use a "full bush" type soybean variety and plant about 10 seeds per foot. Depth should be no more than 1&1/4", (fold a dollar bill into fourths....measures around 1&1/4") and have good seed to soil contact. If using roundup ready, don't let the weeds get more than 3" tall before first spraying. I use a combo of Canopy, Authority, and 2-4-D pre plant and make only one trip with Roundup before canopy. Good program!

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jhill

03-27-2005 07:18:14




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
One of my neighbors who is a very successful farmer grows no till corn and soybeans. He uses a Rawson No-till cart with a JD toolbar planter. Its a 12 row unit mounted on JD 4wd tractor. 20 inch rows. Not sure about herbicide program. but I know he spray before planting and after crop is up. He get great results.

just a thought. 20 in rows are becoming popular around here. started with the sugar beet guys but corn and bean guys are moving that way too.

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Bill(Wis)

03-27-2005 06:59:02




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
If your neighborhood grows soybeans with OK results I don't see any reason not to try. I no-tilled beans into really heavy sod one time but I did it after a good dose of roundup was applied. Make sure your seed is RR because you'll have to apply roundup again (I got away with only one more application). I used a Great Plains no-till drill so I don't know what your planter will do but if it can get the seed in 1 1/2" or so and provide good seed to soil contact it should do OK. You might want to do a test run somewhere before planting time. I did 15" rows and that worked great. You could do that with a 30' planter by double planting. You'll find many opinions on that here but I would not consider 30' rows for a lot of reasons.

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Bill(Wis)

03-27-2005 07:00:20




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to Bill(Wis), 03-27-2005 06:59:02  
Sorry, I meant 30" rows.



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Allan in NE

03-27-2005 06:38:57




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 Re: No-till Soybeans with a Corn Planter???? in reply to MCL, 03-27-2005 06:32:12  
MCI,

Soys just don't work out in this country because it is just too darned dry.

However it is a common practice here to use the same planter for dry edibles ('nother type of bean) and corn in 30" rows. Same planters, same cultivators, etc.

Don't know about the no-till. Like you say, the enemy is the weeds.

Allan



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