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JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange

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Brian Stambaugh

03-28-2005 06:11:50

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Considering a 4440 for 70% haying and loader work, 30% tillage. What is best, PS or Quad? I understand the Quad has a very good wet clutch. Borrowed one one time it was nice to work with. I gather that there is about a $2000 price premium for PS. Also it is my understanding that either trans should last 8000 to 12000 hours.

Thanks!

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Ray

03-28-2005 13:25:57

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-28-2005 06:11:50

Just sold my dads 4440 PS with 2300 original hours from his estate.I like the PS,but several people walked away after driving it,most said it
was to jerky,and only has 8 speeds. A neighbor
liked it but ended up buying a 4450 to get the 15
speed.

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John A.

03-28-2005 12:40:39

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-28-2005 06:11:50

Stan, Yes both trans are good but..... Its does depend on your type of farming and useage.
I have put more hours on 4630s, 4640s, & 4840s than I can count. Both.. PSs and Quads! In row crop farming, loader work, and haying. The Quad will probably be a better in all out plowing and such! But the PS had better versitility in slowing down at end of the row to turn around and head back down the next set of rows. Keeping RPMs high and slow down when a windrow gets heavier for the bailer. Loading round bales on trailers. Its is simplier to shift 1 shifter on a PS, than 2 shifters on a QR.
So...IMO a Power Shift in a Deere is best.
Stan I hope this helps.
Indy....I beg to differ with you here on this point. A 4440 is (basically a soupped up 4430) There were presious few 4440 or 4430 in our area. they just didn't make a good 6row tractor probably a better 4 row. A 4440 will just not handle a A&L 650 grain cart. Our 4630/4640 PSs would walk and talk with a full load from the far end of the fields, IN High gear getting back to the trucks, to unload and get back to the combineand catch again on the run. OBTW A 4640 QR on graincart detail is worthless!! No top end power to get to the truck and back again. Not enough ability to use the entire range of grars to speed up and slow down on the Go.
Anyway just some of the short points on the Deers,Also the split from 4 to 5 gear on 4840! Over 1.5 mph split, 4th too slow, 5th toooo fast.
Catch you after a while
Later,
John A.

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 16:03:06

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to John A., 03-28-2005 12:40:39

A 4440 is FAR FROM being "Just a souped up 4430" It has a MUCH heavier hydraulic system, better transmission/rear end componentry, and a 466 Cu In engine vs. the 404 of the 4430. They're as different as night and day. Been around BOTH for much of my life, and there's no comparison. The 4440 won't handle a big loaded grain cart, but it WILL handle what it was designed to handle. I didn't say the 4440 would handle the load of a 4840 or something bigger. What I did say was the 4440 was/is the best tractor Deere ever made.

And I'll stick to that claim.

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John A.

03-28-2005 17:45:51

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 16:03:06

Hi Indy, I see your point. You will likely torque off a whole passle of 4020 folks with that statement. Better Duck!!!! I hope I didn't make the compairison that a 44 was equal to a 48. I think from my experiences that on equal ground I would rather have a stock 46, PS. It will handle, a 21 ft offset, all 6 row wide or 8 row narrow equipment.
Then in a light duty situation, ie pulling a single grain drill, up shift to 6th, throttle back to 1400 to 1450 rpms and this trasctor will run for 3 days before neededing fuel. That is a stock 4640, PS. Like the IH 7,9,1066 tractors they are on the same platform, The 44,46,4840s are too. So I see the position you are comming from.
I will catch ya later. Enjoyed the visit.
Later,
John A.

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Indydirtfarmer

03-29-2005 03:10:04

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to John A., 03-28-2005 17:45:51

The 4440 is NOT built on the same platform as a 4640 or 4840. The latter are "wide frame" tractors, the 4440 is not. The 4040, 4240, and 4440 are the same physical size, and the 4640 and 4840 are substancially bigger framed tractors.

And as far as some people inferring that I am saying IH tractors are all junk, that's not at all what I'm saying. They do have some "issues" like poor arraingment of controls, lousy cabs, balky shifting transmissions, but they aren't a total waste. I just wouldn't own one....That's MY right. They're good cheap power, if you're into cheap...

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Ga cracker head

03-28-2005 12:33:41

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-28-2005 06:11:50

just got my 4440 back today from the shop having the quad clutch pack replaced . kinda pricey tho. HOWEVER I would not want to give it up for anything else either. All in all a very good tractor

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03-28-2005 10:56:30

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-28-2005 06:11:50

Brian,

If interested, my neighbor has a 4440 quad and a 4450 PS 4WD that will be auctioned off on the 15 of April. Both are clean tractors w/ good tires(if I rememeber right, they both have ~5-6000 hrs). I'm in the Madison WI area. Email me if interested and I can give you more details.

Eric

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 06:23:39

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-28-2005 06:11:50

I've got a 4440 QR with 8350 hours on the clock. Never so much as a whimper out of the trabby. I've had it serviced a couple times while the tractor was at the dealer for other issues. (Last time was during complete engine OH at 7990 hrs.) It was used to drag a 12' chisel plow for about 7 years. Since then, just pulling a planter or drill, plus some occational hay work.

I will argue with ANYONE that the 4440 is/was the best tractor ever built for it's time.

I've ran a couple 4840's with the powershift. I also have a 4020 with PS. It's tough to beat. Both are as good as anything in the field.

Bottom line though, niether are any better than HOW THEY'VE BEEN TREATED THROUGH-OUT THEIR LIVES....

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Allan in NE

03-28-2005 06:53:21

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 06:23:39

Gee John,

You really think that the 4440 is better than an old IH 966?

That is just really tough for me to get my mind bent around. :>)

Allan

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paul c wanten out

03-28-2005 18:33:37

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Allan in NE, 03-28-2005 06:53:21

i have always farmed all red , grain and hay, i currently own ih 656-664-666-686-966 and two-1066s i have had a couple 1086-3288-5488 i dont like the ih cab or the wf, and a ta eliminater kit is the best thing since sliced bread, i have listened to the jd parade for years, well last summer i bought a one owner 4630 syncro a real nice tractor, starts harder than my 656 dsl, says in the book if under 40 degrees use starting aids, sheeet, i will admit it has a way better cab and wf than ih, but i sure wish someone else owned it, some how im gonna send it up the road, i would trade it for a good 1066 fender tractor in a heart beat

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Brian Stambaugh

03-28-2005 08:42:01

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Allan in NE, 03-28-2005 06:53:21

Funny you would mention a 966. That is what I am trading. Been a great machine, pulls like crazy with 34 inch duals, was my first tractor and hate to part with it but the TA is out, I need a quieter cab and better shifting for a loader, and a loader that I don't have to weld up all the time. Basically I am a red guy, grew up with'em. Have a 186 Hydro that is great for haying. Thought I might try green to see what all the fuss is about. I know a lot of folks that I respect that have farmed for 40 - 50 years, then went green at some point and never looked back. They (dealers) want a lot of money for the green ones though!

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Allan in NE

03-28-2005 11:41:04

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-28-2005 08:42:01

Hi Brian,

Oh, those Johns are okay I guess. Kinda overpriced by about 50% as you say.

They"ll just never have the class of your old 9 tho. :>)

(That oughta get Indy"s blood movin" a little)

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 07:15:34

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Allan in NE, 03-28-2005 06:53:21

And we all know your mind is really bent.....

The 4440 is without doubt, the best tractor of it's size ever built BY ANYONE. Talk with those who've used one, and you'll get the same answer. They were so far ahead of the "66" series IH's that there's no comparison. To start with, you would need to compare a 4440 with a 1066, or the comparable "86 series" IH. There are a few IH's that stack up well against a Deere of equal size, but nothing will match with a 4440.

I'll argue with ANYONE, including you Allan, that the 4440 was the best tractor Deere ever built.

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billonthefarm

03-28-2005 18:44:26

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 07:15:34

Indy, you've got me thinking. I have a little sod to plow and maybe I should use my poor old 1086 just to show you that IH's tractors arent the junkers you think they are. It hasnt done any tillage work in a years but I think it will make it ok. Of course I would have to re-wax it when I get done!

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RustyFarmall

03-28-2005 13:27:04

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 07:15:34

Just seems kinda funny though that around here all of those 4440s got traded in on new tractors several years ago and the IH built 66 and 86 series are still out there working with nary a whimper.

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 16:05:47

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-28-2005 13:27:04

All those 4440's are still on the job. MOST are still in the hands of the original owners or next generations. I don't see any more 66 or 86 series IH tractors still on the job. In fact, most of them around here are just chore tractors nowdays.

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J. Schwiebert

03-28-2005 08:23:17

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 07:15:34

So far our 440 has cost 5 times more to maintain than our 4430 and that tractor has twice as many hours than the 4440 does.

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 08:38:47

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to J. Schwiebert, 03-28-2005 08:23:17

Sounds like you got TWO exceptions there. My 4440 (FIL bought new) hasn't had much ever to need attention, other tan an engine overhaul at about the expectedinterval. Nieghbors 4430 has been apart for repeated rear end problems. If anyone else speaks up, that'll make two unhappy 4440 owners (counting you)

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Gary Mckenzie

03-28-2005 09:03:12

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 08:38:47

Indy, First, thanks for the help with the planters... But the best JD built was the 4240... We have one with almost 25,000 hrs and it has had more abuse than any tractor I've ever seen under any conditions (worn out 2 loaders, rolled over once, involved in a terrible accident on the highway, and 23 years of heavy tillage with few problems. (I did in-frame it at 12,000hrs) Original clutch and trans (QR). As for the IH's, IH builds a great ENGINE... If I ever crack my elbow trying to shift another '86 series again it'll be to soon.

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J. Schwiebert

03-28-2005 17:59:00

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Gary Mckenzie, 03-28-2005 09:03:12

I will agree with Gary on one thing. This new IH DT466E which is not put in anyones tractors is a very very fine engine.

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J. Schwiebert

03-28-2005 17:58:01

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Gary Mckenzie, 03-28-2005 09:03:12

I will agre with Gary on one thing. This new DT$66E which is not put in anyones tractors is a very very fine engine.

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 09:47:49

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Gary Mckenzie, 03-28-2005 09:03:12

Gotta line on a Deere RG-2 cultivator. That's the one your planter units were designed to mount on. ($100 in Missouri)

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Indydirtfarmer

03-28-2005 09:55:26

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Re: JD 4440 Powerhift vs Quadrange in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-28-2005 09:47:49

Also Gary, I have a lead on those Cole/Covington planter parts your brother needs. A friend bought all those parts from a dealer near here that had all of them in stock and at OLD OLD prices. I'm checking to see if he has any more left. I'll let you know if I have any luck.

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