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Kerosene in diesel engines

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Phillip Collins

03-31-2005 18:38:19

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I am an aircraft mechanic and have access to free Jet A which is kerosene, the fuel we sump out of aircraft to get rid of water. Water sinks to the bottom and is visible, i pour it out and filter it until i get to the water. We sump a lot of aircraft. Management refuses to reuse this fuel, because it would have to be filtered. The bowser would have to have a maintenance manual writen for it. And records kept for it. Some of us take some, the rest the company pays to get rid of. I have burned it in my salamander heater. My question is, i know it can be burned in a deisel engine, but will it damage a deisel? Is there any additives that can be put it it for lubrication? I know very little about deisel engines or diesel fuel. Thanks.

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Phillip Collins

04-01-2005 15:24:04

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

Thanks fellas for all your replies, I didnt know there was so many aviation people out there.

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KIP

04-01-2005 10:41:31

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

I ran a diesel Toyota Landcruiser for 8 months on straight Jet in Honduras and never had a problem. Had a friend who only used Jet A in his Volkwagen diesel Rabbit for years. My company also won�t re-use sumped fuel removed from our helicopters.

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Carm

04-01-2005 04:44:14

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

I use our sump fuel alll the time, it goes in the equipment and the oil burner furnace. For the Diesels, I just mix some cheap motor oil in with it. I have seen no performance problems or maintenance problems. As long as you give the fuel some lubricity, there is no problem. I do not measure it precisely, or stick with the same brand/type of oil either. Ususlly it is what people give me, as in unused oil found in the cellar or shed that I won"t put in the motor, or if I have to buy it I just get the cheapest stuff around. A side note regarding burning it in your torpedo heater. I do not do this since the torpedo heaters concentrate the exhaust where you are working and jet fuel (our"s anyway) has Prist or some other FSII added to it and that crap is way nasty in its plain form. I"m sure its bad enough to breathe the fumes from a torpedo heater anyway, I just don"t wanna add to it. Just my opinion though.

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Matt from CT

04-01-2005 07:16:05

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Hehe.. in reply to Carm, 04-01-2005 04:44:14

> use our sump fuel alll the time, it goes in >the equipment and the oil burner furnace.

That's exactly what I was thinking! The original poster mustn't live in oil-heat country!

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Carm

04-01-2005 10:27:17

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Re: Hehe.. in reply to Matt from CT, 04-01-2005 07:16:05

I put 45 gallons in and the guy came to top it off (regular delivery) and said you didnt take as much as you usually do! I know I didnt, just saved myself quite a bit of cash though!!!! So I smell like jet fuel for a while....I do that anyway at work.

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john in la

04-01-2005 03:26:19

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

Shame on you.

Jet fuel is a high sulpher fuel and is made for off road use only. The reasone it does not have red dye in it is because it needs to be so clean.

I am going to report you to my local tree hugger group.

Before you guys start in on me ..... .
I am only joking around about the tree hugger thing.

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T_Bone

03-31-2005 21:18:48

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

Hi Phillip,

I had a link to a University study that did tests to add SVO (straight vegetable oil) to #1D (kerosene). At 2% SVO added to #1D equaled #2D lube qualitys. Any type of SVO will work. Sorry I lost the link.

Pre-mix SVO/diesel then add to the tank then fill with #1D. This makes the overall content blend alot easier.

I use ATF type F at 1qt/100gal #2D and there is a considerable difference in my injector nosie, alot quiter. I tested 100 times the ATF content and it doesn't change the color of #2D.

There's several jet mechanics on the VW-TDI forum that use #1D in the VW diesels without any problems.

T_Bone

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Redmud

03-31-2005 20:17:23

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

Phillip, I used many gallons of jet A in my 6.2 diesel back in the 80's, sometimes I would add a quart of ATF to each tank, most times I didn't. I never had a problem. I still have the truck and it's still running strong. If I had a few thousand gallons now, I would burn every drop in my trucks, but I would add ATF with each tank.

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Hermit

03-31-2005 20:10:25

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

I've also spent years draining sumps of JP-4, JP-5, JP-8, Jet A-1 and some other exotic fuels. Even though Jet A-1 has a NATO classification as a kerosene type fuel, it's not straight kerosene. It has added static dissipators, corrosion inhibitors and icing inhibitors. Army Regulation 70-12, Table 2-1 shows that Jet A-1 is a alternate fuel for diesel. Should work.

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buickanddeere

03-31-2005 21:31:56

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Hermit, 03-31-2005 20:10:25

What did they run the SR-71 on? It must have been something like #4 fuel oil?

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Bill(Wis)

04-01-2005 14:53:41

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to buickanddeere, 03-31-2005 21:31:56

USAF and US Army are using JP8+100 now as a standard fuel for almost everything except cars and the airplanes they don't talk about.

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Van in AR

04-01-2005 12:49:27

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to buickanddeere, 03-31-2005 21:31:56

That would be JP-7, very thin fuel. When we hauled it in our tankers we would find leaks where none existed before.
Van

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Jetfighter

04-01-2005 08:26:43

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to buickanddeere, 03-31-2005 21:31:56

They burned Bunker C, with steam fuel oil heaters to get it to 225F

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X-AF

04-01-2005 07:29:26

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to buickanddeere, 03-31-2005 21:31:56

Had it's own 'special' fuel for high altitudes, forgot the JP-?? number, and it's own fleet of "Q" type tankers for refueling. Man, what a machine!

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Carm

04-01-2005 10:28:46

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to X-AF, 04-01-2005 07:29:26

Wasn't it JP7 or something loke that....or did the U-2 burn that.

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Gene Davis (GA)

03-31-2005 19:26:47

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

1 qt autromatic transmission fluid per 5 gallons will give injector cleaning detergent and lubricate the pumps and injectors also.

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msb

03-31-2005 19:03:44

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to Phillip Collins, 03-31-2005 18:38:19

I would add about 5% soybean oil to it and run it.Lubricity problems with kerosene should be overcome that way.

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jimmy fletcher

03-31-2005 19:34:11

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Re: Kerosene in diesel engines in reply to msb, 03-31-2005 19:03:44

I am also a aircraft mechanic in the army. We run jp8 fuel in both aircraft engines and diesel engines. But I don't know the difference between jp8 and jet a fuel. Kerosene is finer then diesel so I would add 5% soybean oil it too. If you are not careful, you can burn a diesel up in a heart beat.

Jimmy

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