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Allan in NE

05-01-2005 10:03:11

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Hi Guys,

How come combines don't hold their value?

A local feller here has a Gleaner L, diesel and a 20 foot header for sale for almost nothing. Heck, back in the seventies, that machine probably cost $60K with just the grain head alone.

Allan

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paul

05-02-2005 07:29:42

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

You ever do maintenence on a combine? Costs as much as a lease on a new one if you are a 'real' farmer & need to get your crop in. My combine is worth about $2000 on a good day. Two years ago the seperator fan went out, was $1080 to replace & I did the work.

If you are small scale farming, you buy a used one 2x as big as you need, and do your own maintenence. Get crop out while it's running, do repairs when it isn't.

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

05-02-2005 19:02:08

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Re: How Come? in reply to paul, 05-02-2005 07:29:42

You ever own a Gleaner?

Allan

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the tractor vet

05-01-2005 18:33:32

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Myself i like OLD COMBINES they are cheep and it does not take much to make them live again like my OLD 410 massey GASSER we replace all the bearings and belts added somemore Halagon lites rebuilt the corn head and she will go out and put in a 14 to 16 hour day and run like a swiss watch and it will suck down around 45 gal of fuel per day but when left in the field over nite when it get chilly over here in the buckeye it will start off with no problems and yea it does not have all the fancy electronics and no greenstar but it will run with the best and with only a 1-2 bpa loss and a perfect sampile at the eleavator and oh yea we only have 2100 bucks in it and it is PAID FOR.

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James2

05-02-2005 09:56:05

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Re: How Come? in reply to the tractor vet, 05-01-2005 18:33:32

I don't know how old you are, but I'm over 50 and sure don't want to spend 14-16 hrs in an old hot,noisy, dirty combine cab. At this age I deserve something better. Also I never liked the idea of using gasoline in a very combustible environment. If I had only 20 or so acres, maybe, but 100 never. There are a lot of older combines that have a much better cab than the Massy 410 and don't cost all that much.

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37 chief

05-01-2005 21:09:40

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Re: How Come? in reply to the tractor vet, 05-01-2005 18:33:32

What is ment by only a 1-2 bpa and a perfct sampile at the elevator. I have no problem with old machines I use a tractor made in the 30's in my discing business, and it will also run with the best of them. Stan in calif.

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thurlow

05-02-2005 05:11:06

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Re: How Come? in reply to 37 chief, 05-01-2005 21:09:40

bpa..... bushels per acre; sample..... .elevators (buying stations) pull a sample of each load of grain, test for moisture, cracked kernels, foreign matter, etc.

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the tractor vet

05-01-2005 21:17:39

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Re: How Come? in reply to 37 chief, 05-01-2005 21:09:40

The loss is what you lose from the header and over the sives out the back . Since i am not loaded with money and like to farm i have got bywith older stuff for years and fix it now i am getting into the big time with a 1977 1486 and a 65 806 a 54 S.MTA and a 53 S/Hand a 75 410 massey combine , heck one of these days i may move up to a 550 massey or even a 750 . But the rest of the stuff will out last me.

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Nebraska Cowman

05-01-2005 17:32:14

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Allan, remember that old F that I had? I sold it to my neighbor for a couple hundred bucks cuz the enging was out of his L. He picked several hundred acres of corn with it but I never heard how much gasoline he bought.

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Hugh MacKay

05-01-2005 16:36:52

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Allan: Old combines are a bit like old men, frail.

Take that story we are hearing in Ontario, out of Iowa and suposedly happened 3-4 years ago. A John Deere 9650 became the first combine in history to combine a million bushels of corn in a single season. I doesn't take them long to get old with that kind of production.

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Sand Flat Bob

05-01-2005 15:40:02

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Here is what you can do with old combines!!!

http://www.lindwa.com/lind'sweekend.html

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Rauville

05-01-2005 14:08:24

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Probably the same reason that old double knit leisure suit that you bought back in the 70's doesn't have a lot of value...nobody has a use for them.
This August there is going to be an antique tractor parade here with hopefully 300 old tractors traveling 30 plus miles down the highway. I doubt if the day will ever come that we see a antique combine parade with that kind of turnout.

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Leisure Suit Larry

05-01-2005 19:49:57

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Re: How Come? in reply to Rauville, 05-01-2005 14:08:24

Are Leisure Suits out of style now? No wonder I cannot get a date.

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agrogers

05-01-2005 12:13:55

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Two questions for you Allan:
What kinda' shape is it in and are you going to buy it and rebuild it like ya' done your 966?!

We have an M that we were gonna' rebuild over winter, but here it is may and it hasn't moved since we parked it when we finished up beans in FEBRUARY.

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Allan in NE

05-01-2005 13:48:42

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Re: How Come? in reply to agrogers, 05-01-2005 12:13:55

I have no idea; just saw the ad this morning for the combine which is about 20 miles from me.

Nope, not me. The piggy bank is empty, so I can't buy or fix 'nothin' fer awhile.

Furthermore, thinkin' I'll have to give ol' Sloroll a call and see if he can spot me a meal. :>(

Allan

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Sloroll

05-02-2005 03:44:54

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 13:48:42

I'm on a strictly gruel diet until I get a bunch of avgas paid for Allan. It isn't so bad if you put a little cinnamin on it though.

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Dave 2n

05-01-2005 11:17:35

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

What's a combine?

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Paul in Mich

05-01-2005 11:28:56

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Re: How Come? in reply to Dave 2n, 05-01-2005 11:17:35

Isn"t that a place where all the NFL prospects go to display their skills?

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Dave 2N

05-02-2005 05:38:23

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Re: How Come? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-01-2005 11:28:56

That's what I thought too! Nothing at all like the A-C bagger combine I rode for hours in the hot August sun during my "formative years." 40 years later I can still itch from that oat dust!

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Paul in Mich

05-02-2005 16:40:28

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Re: How Come? in reply to Dave 2N, 05-02-2005 05:38:23

Dave, That was a nasty job, wasnt it, that was until you got into some barley, and that took nearly 50 years to get the prickly beards out of the creases in the back of my neck. I think there was also some thistle chaff from sitting on the old hand wire tie baler. I still blow black dirt out of my nose from the open station operators platrorm on the "up grade" 125-SP combine from the old 52-R hand bagger style. Yep, those were the good old days, alright.

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thurlow

05-02-2005 17:21:40

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Re: How Come? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-02-2005 16:40:28

Never did any barley, but we grew milo for a few years; had 2 "F" Gleaners; no air, just a blower in the cab. My Dad would just prop the door open in his and deal with the dust; I'd leave the door closed and sweat..... to the tune of about 125 degrees. The dust would still get in there; makes me itch just thinking about it.

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old

05-01-2005 11:08:28

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

Thats sort of why you see them in dimo derbys, there cheap so guys can afford to crash and burn them LOL

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Bill(Wis)

05-01-2005 10:24:46

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

John Deere Machine Finder shows 3810 used combines at JD dealers alone. I'm sure NH, Massey, CaseIH, etc have a lot more. I know a used machinery dealer that has about 20 sitting out front. He calls them "lawn ornaments".

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caseyc

05-01-2005 10:17:13

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

because they're to small and because nobody wants to fix them. now days guys need to cover unheard of amounts of ground in record time and those machines don't shut off for days. those older machines that work fine for guys like you and just don't cut it for the big modern operations any more. JD 55's or even 105's can be had around here for $100. my buddy got a JD 6600 diesel last year for $200.

casey

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Paul in Mich

05-01-2005 11:26:31

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Re: How Come? in reply to caseyc, 05-01-2005 10:17:13

Gee, I dunno.....We have 2 L-2 Gleaners, and with the exception of having to replace a raddle chain in one of them, and feeder beater pins in the other, we had no break downs all fall, and they probably harvested over 1,400 acres each, (wheat, corn and soybeans) while a third combine, (1440 IH) harvested 100 acres of wheat, and 600 acres of soybeans. I will admit that parts are harder and harder to find, so we"ve had to resort to scanning the graveyards for some parts, but since there is one within 40 miles, we are able to keep those 2 old girls up and running while, I might add, a farmer in the area was forced to rent a combine to finish the season because an axle broke on his JD 9600 and totaled both combine and 30 ft grain head when the wheel ripped out nearly the whole right side. By the way, this is for Allan, how much did the L go for?

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Allan in NE

05-01-2005 11:05:28

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Re: How Come? in reply to caseyc, 05-01-2005 10:17:13

Hi Pard,

Yeah, I guess you're right.

But, I can't help but think about the comment someone made here a few weeks ago about some farmer with a yield of 240 or 250 bu of corn per acre and at those yields and with the current price of corn, he just couldn't make ends meet.

Dunno, maybe that feller needed to go further in debt on a new quarter of a million dollar machine to make it all better for him. :>)

Allan

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caseyc

05-01-2005 13:08:27

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 11:05:28

there has to be some different variables in that picture. our ground sells for $1500 for no improvments all the way to $3000 for tiled, waterways and tree line cleared out etc. it hard to find rents under a $100. the particular section that i live on did and average of 130 bushel last fall and the year before the beans were 40 bushel. a quarter sold for $2075 an acre this spring, all tiled and all tillable. the rest is rented at $125 an acre. when i figure out how he makes money i'll let you know.

casey

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cdmn

05-01-2005 15:28:33

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Re: How Come? in reply to caseyc, 05-01-2005 13:08:27

around here, farms sell high because people are cashing out their development land near the big cities or lakes and they have to re-invest to avoid big taxes. Don't want to buy apartment buildings. Sometimes the hunting land with duckponds and woods sell higher than ag land. Farming has become a cost-plus business. You sell the crop for cost, but get your salary from the subsidies.

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Mike3501

05-01-2005 10:14:49

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Re: How Come? in reply to Allan in NE, 05-01-2005 10:03:11

aLLAN , i HATE TO TELL YOU BUT TIME HAS MARCHED ON IT'S NOW 2005 THATS FORTYFIVE YEARS AGO. I didn't mean to have all caps but maybe it was right to

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