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jimont

05-05-2005 16:59:04

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I've heard a lot of talk about CRP land on this site. Just curious ----- what the heck is it all about ?

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tlak

05-06-2005 05:58:07

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to jimont, 05-05-2005 16:59:04

Some of these programs came from the 20-30s and the dust bowl days. The mechanization of the farmer allowed him to plow and grow more. The railroad allowed him to sell in more areas.
This was probably the first trouble with a local (U.S.A.) global economy. The farmer made more so he plowed and grew more. The problem is that all the farmers where in this crop gold rush so the more he plowed and grew, the faster the dust bowl days came on and the less he actually made because he was competing with everybody and the price was falling. So the government set up price controls to keep the price stable to higher by paying farmers not to grow.
I don't think these programs were ever meant to enrich the super farms or Dan Rather.

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jimont

05-06-2005 05:50:09

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to jimont, 05-05-2005 16:59:04

Thanks fellas ----- Looks to be quite a program! Wish we had something similar here in Ontario. One of my farms has a creek running through it with almost 20 acres that we can no longer graze because the cattle may poop in the water. Taxes stay the same and we're expected to fence the creek off and maintain the creek as well. Another property has been designated as a "flood plain" even though the creek runs through the back of a 30 acre field and is at least 20' lower than the remainder of the field. Can't even build a house on the property.
Just shows how insignificant the farming community is here in Ontario.

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paul

05-06-2005 07:01:11

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to jimont, 05-06-2005 05:50:09

Things are _exactly_ the same in Minnesota, and much of the USA. Exactly.

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ejr-IA.

05-05-2005 18:38:02

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to jimont, 05-05-2005 16:59:04

Conservation Reserve Program.This is a goverment program that producers can enroll land for habitat,water quality ,soil erosion you seed your land to native grass,forbes ,legumes and other vegitation as a cover.You sign a contract for normaly for 10 years you get paid so much a acre plus cost share on your seed and your preperation for planting and seeding.Go to your county FSA office for more information.

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Too Far Gone

05-05-2005 20:09:56

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to ejr-IA., 05-05-2005 18:38:02

Its really a program so the government can have control of millions of acres of good farmland,and keep it out of production while our own government teaches foreign countries to raise grain,then we import grain from them,in effect keeping farm commodity prices beat down.

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Bobl1958

05-06-2005 08:03:34

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to Too Far Gone, 05-05-2005 20:09:56

I promise you are closer to being right than you probably know. I worked for a large grain company in Arizona for several years. We developed some varieties of Barley that could stand the heat of the AZ desert. Government went to Saudi Arabia, subsidized seed, taught them the great farming practices that are common here, and lost the selling of the seed to them. That country certainly didn't have to worry about variety protection. I can remember when we subsidized 3 million metric tons of corn to Japan, who in turn sold it on the open market. Yep, we farmers have the government give us everything. Sorry to vent.

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Paul in Mich

05-05-2005 20:33:19

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to Too Far Gone, 05-05-2005 20:09:56

I"m pretty cynical at times, but you got me beat by a mile this time..... ...

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txgrn

05-06-2005 05:53:53

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-05-2005 20:33:19

Sounds pretty real to me. Meanwhile they're always spouting off about balance of payments and the consumer goods we buy from overseas and all.

Course right now I have no choice. Haven't seen much of anything lately that wasn't made in Japan or China..... so Japan blocks our beef exports to the tune of 1.3 (I think) billion in 2003....and China is scooping up our technology so they can make more of their own things and export to us at reduced prices over domestically manufactured items. Course in the short term, you can't beat the prices.

Farm commodities are (used to be) one of the few ways we have (had) of balancing things out.

Cynical, naw, practical, yeah!

Mark

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old

05-05-2005 18:21:19

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to jimont, 05-05-2005 16:59:04

Can't tell you what the crp stands for but its a program where the Gov. pays you to not plant crops on an area of your land.

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Paul in Mich

05-05-2005 19:18:42

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to old, 05-05-2005 18:21:19

C.R.P. stands for Conservation reserve program. It is a long term, voluntary government program whereas a certain amount of farm land can be set aside, and the government will pay the owner for his participation in the program. The short answer is that farmers get paid not to grow crops, but that is not entirely true. He is getting paid for the result that the program was intended. There are several programs, and not every farmer qualifies, nor do all farmers participate in all the programs. Some of the programs are the Farm and ranch conservation participation program where certain qualifying acerage can be part of a conservation program while continuing to raise crops. Grasslands reserve programs, where grasslands are established to enhance wildlife, reduce wind and water erosion. Wetlands recovery. Wild life habitat. Ag management program. Timber restoration. There is also another separate program, CREP, which is a combination Federal and state program which in essence establishes buffers and filter strips to combat errosion, protect watersheds, and create wildlife buffers. At present, there are approximately 94,000,000 acres committed to CRP, and an annual compensation to farmers and ranchers of 1.8 billion per year. While each program may varry to its length of time, it is long term, and usually a 15 year duration. If land is taken out of CRP earlier than contracted, then a stiff penalty is imposed on the owner. The amount of money compensated to the farmers and ranchers vary as there must be a history of production prior to qualifying for CRP. Formulas will vary also according to the type of CRP program enrolled. So while some may say "Farmers get paid not to grow crops", it isnt that simple, and there has to be another purpose for enrollment.

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Jon H

05-05-2005 18:38:26

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to old, 05-05-2005 18:21:19

Conservation Reserve Program. This is a program where the government leases certain types of farm land (prone to erosion etc) from the owner for usually a 10 year period. No food crops can be grown on the land,and it must be planted to a selected mixture of grass,and allowed to become wildlife habitat. The owner must maintain the grass cover,and must control any noxious weeds growing in the grass crop. Lease price is usually close to area cash rent.

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rambone

05-05-2005 18:51:52

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to Jon H, 05-05-2005 18:38:26

Remember, must have been farmed two of the last five years, as in crops. In our area price per acre runs from 80 to 50 dollars, you can hay one third of your acreage a year for I think somewhat like a 20% payback on what you receive an acre. The thing I"ve seen is owners get it reserved and then don"t maintain their land, as in not controlling brush and weeds and not fertilizing or liming the ground and in the ten years they end up with really poor ground and complain about the cedar and persimmon trees which are hard to control.

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paul

05-06-2005 07:09:39

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to rambone, 05-05-2005 18:51:52

Here in my part of Minnesota they strongly encourage no mowing or burning if it can be helped - they _want_ the tree saplings to grow & establish, so it does not go back into ag production. No fertilization either, runoff into the wetlands don't you know. Only a very narrow assortment of expensive native seeds may be planted. And weeds should be controlled - but hopefully not by mowing. No haying unless an emergency is declared (which messes up the hay growing people, knocks off their high prices they used to get....) and then you refund the money you got if you harvest it.

It's volinteer, nice option, don't mean to badmouth it, but the idea is to return marginal land to native stuff. Has lots of strings attached, it is not like the old set-aside ag programs. Purely for natural habitat type stuff, not a real 'farm' program.

--->Paul

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Paul in Mich

05-06-2005 13:06:44

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to paul, 05-06-2005 07:09:39

Paul, It depends on how a particular piece of land affects the ecosystem as to whether a particular program is designed to enhance the wildlife habitat, affect the watershed, retard errosion, maintain wetlands etc. Not long ago, a county adjacent to ours was offering, in partnership with State and federal conservation programs, a conservation program to promote no-till, in areas that no-till could influence the watershed. Our county was not part of the program,, however it was on the county line and part of the other county"s watershed. Since it involved nearly 1,800 acres, they extended the program to the land in our county. The no-till committment had to be for a 10 year period of time. Unless a farmer is set up for no-till, it is an expensive switchover. The program allowed farmers to make the switch with a minimal outlay of capital on their part. I"m not advocating or criticizing the use of tax payers dollars to fund such programs, but I will say that if we can fund the endowment for the arts, we, as taxpayers can partially fund no-till research. Some of these conservation programs do benifit the public at large, not just a select group. Conservation is a totally separate issue from environmentalism, whicn if about everything but the environment. As a farmer, I would not volunteer a square foot of my farmland as a wildlife refuge, a wildflower sanctuary, or wetlands reclaimation, as I strongly question the legitimacy and motive of such programs. Soil conservation, wind and water errosion, watershed issues, land management, reforresting in selected areas, are real and legitimate issues.

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edchainsaw

05-05-2005 20:46:09

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Re: C.R.P. in reply to rambone, 05-05-2005 18:51:52

we cant hay at all for no reason around here unless there is a state of emergency announced.

they pay me to mow and a neighbor has to burn his off... and they come and check to see that I have done it.

and the really BIG thing about CRP is MOST of the Ground in it SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN FARMED in the FIRST PLACE.. ours included.

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