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I'm not trying to start a color war

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PJBROWN

05-23-2005 16:04:50




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What will pull more weight.A John Deere A or a farmall M ? I think the foot clutch on the M would be a little more friendly for the driver.




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tractordave

05-25-2005 13:19:18




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to PJBROWN, 05-23-2005 16:04:50  
So what we really should be comparing the M to is a JD G.
Dave



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Joe Evans

05-23-2005 20:29:48




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to PJBROWN, 05-23-2005 16:04:50  
For what it's worth, the gas M did 5600# on the max pull test at Nebraska in 1939 while a gas JD A did 5228# in 1947.



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Dave 2N

05-23-2005 18:48:26




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to PJBROWN, 05-23-2005 16:04:50  
If you are comparing a stock M to a stock A, the M will outpull the A.



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Ron Satzler

05-23-2005 20:15:05




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to Dave 2N, 05-23-2005 18:48:26  
The early 50"s A"s and M"s are listed in the Nebraska test as having about the same drawbar hp;34. The A has a 2.5 mph low gear and the M has a 2.6 low gear.

My observations are that both the standard A and the standard M would generally kill on the track and not spin out.

The M was easier to "soup up" because it was a sleeved engine and a four cylinder. A simple oversize sleeve gave a double increase because it increased both the displacement and the compression ratio. This is how the M became a super M.

For the A, high compression pistons without the expensive process of boring the block did not increase the displacement on the A so the hp gain was generally less.

The four cylinder engine was better balanced so increasing the rpm of the M engine 10% was generally without bad effects. Increasing the rpm of the poorly balanced two banger was less desirable.

Overall, this made the M a preferred tractor to use to get heavy work done. The M Farmall, DC Case and 44 Massey had similar 4 cylinder engines and could quite easily be tuned to significantly out work the A John Deere.


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Delbert

05-23-2005 18:17:09




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to PJBROWN, 05-23-2005 16:04:50  
At tractor pulls I would put my $ on the A to pull more and farther. I own a M but would still say the A. What i have seen of them at tractor pulls. But out in the field the M would have the advantage. Just my thoughts.



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tractordave

05-23-2005 17:09:33




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to PJBROWN, 05-23-2005 16:04:50  
Well are we comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges?
What is the HP rating of the M? Is it a 3 plow tractor? Are we talking about a gasser A or an earlier A? I THINK (but not positive) the gasser late A was a 3 plow tractor.
Anyway I have no idea which would do better.
Dave



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RAW in IA

05-23-2005 16:35:23




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to PJBROWN, 05-23-2005 16:04:50  
If you are talking stock machines, I don't think there is a question the M will outpull the A. An M will pull 3-16 plow most anywhere around here. I ahven't seen an A JD that hasn't been souped up that will begin to keep up with an M.



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kjm

05-23-2005 18:58:18




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 Re: I'm not trying to start a color war in reply to RAW in IA, 05-23-2005 16:35:23  
I have never had an M( Super C and a 504 now)we farmed with a late model A and a 70. Pulled 3x16 with the A and a 12ft disc, 4x14 with the 70. I would say it would be close. kjm



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