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The wonderer

06-08-2005 16:48:32




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Several of my neighbors are adding 1 gallon of diesel fuel to 25 gallons of ethanol and claiming 3 to 5 miles per gallon increase. I asked a mechanic about this and said that it is an old trick. I have been around cars and equipment all of my 49 years and have never heard of this before. Can anyone out there tell me if this is true?




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Maark

06-09-2005 14:05:05




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery-Aussietractor in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Road diesel in Iowa is $2.21 for a gallon {4 quarts}of fuel.



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Aussietractor

06-10-2005 17:04:01




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Maark, 06-09-2005 14:05:05  
Maark, you blokes have cheap fuel. I wish it was that cheap here.



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fred kobs

06-09-2005 11:11:05




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
I'd be worried @ poisening O2 sensor & cat converter. The dirtier the fuel, the harder they have to work to clean up after it. Allen, gasoline trick works but doesn't help the rings out any, less lube for them when u need it most, being extreme cold. By the way for already gelled diesel(mildly) dump in a gal warm kerosine, she'll come RIGHT out of it. Mildly being will idle rough...not much throttle response. After that the 911 Power Service does what the label says it will, I double the rate tho, with fresh filter full to clean out system. Reg. Power Service is WAY over rated. Prefer to blend #1&2 60/40 to never have to worry @it. Worked on semi reefer units in IA. that would get fueled in Fla. in Dec. if anybody wonders why I'm opinionated on this subject. fred

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dej(JED)

06-09-2005 10:24:47




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Hi , I run a fuels testing lab and I think we have done every blend known to man in the 20 years since I started. The 1 gallon of diesel in 25 gallons of ethanol won't hurt a thing. If you raise the BTU value , you will increase the mpg, but not 3 to 5. Maybe 1 though.



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Steve(OR)

06-09-2005 10:14:16




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Doesn't pass my smell test. I can't beleive a farmer with a bucket of diesel is a better chemist than all those employed by the big petroleum companies. If it worked without detrimental side effects they would already be doing it and making money from it.



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mike j

06-08-2005 22:06:48




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Dont know on the milage claims ? but used to do that with a built 390 ford (it only got about 6 mpg) did it with kerosene gallon to a tankful of reg gas truck ran stronger and cooler and i could run more timing advance without it pinging. fwiw mike j



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Jerry/MT

06-08-2005 20:26:40




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
It will certainly reduce the octane rating of the fuel mixture and hurt vaporization. Reduced octane rating will require less spark advance and that usually means poorer fuel mileage. Beyond that, no telling what it will do. I often wonder how these stories get started.



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Nebraska Cowman

06-08-2005 20:25:23




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
I have done it off and on ever since gas went to 50¢. It is handy too to prevent vapor lock in wheat harvest trucks.



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Aussietractor

06-09-2005 13:24:57




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-08-2005 20:25:23  
Thanks thurlow, so how much are you paying for deisel and gas now? At present we are paying about $us 1.00 per litre. I think there is about 3.75 litres to US gallon and about 4.5 litres to an imperial gallon?????



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thurlow

06-09-2005 06:23:34




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-08-2005 20:25:23  
'Scuse me for butting in; he WAS getting a U.S. gallon (almost 4 liters). Of course, us old timers remember when gasoline was less than 30 cents and diesel was in the neighborhood of 15 cents..... ...



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thurlow

06-09-2005 06:43:16




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to thurlow, 06-09-2005 06:23:34  
S'posed to be answering Aussie..... ...



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Aussietractor

06-08-2005 22:07:18




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-08-2005 20:25:23  
Nebraska, When you say that gas went to $0.50, how much do you get for your $0.50.



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skipper

06-08-2005 19:57:04




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Hold on there pardner. What do you think that will do the catalytic convertor?? You are talkin mpg so I am a guessin it is goin in a car. That diesel may or may not goof that up. Better at least give it some thought. Replacements aren't cheap.



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old

06-08-2005 19:21:50




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
I've done that before and yes it helps but how much I'm not sure. About all it does is lube the upper side of and engine.



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Joe Bloggs

06-08-2005 18:00:05




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
be very carful with what you put in your fuel. there was a houshold cleaner that you could add to diesel and it gave more power and better economy.BUT engine life could be counted in months not years



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Bob

06-08-2005 17:52:56




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Try it and find out by checking your mileage!

That small amount of disel certainly won't hurt anything.

My neighbor did the "add acetone to your gas to increase mileage thing", and claimed his mileage actually dropped a bit



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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 17:45:41




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to The wonderer, 06-08-2005 16:48:32  
Sounds like a lotta smoke to me. :>)

Allan



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JW

06-08-2005 18:29:42




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 17:45:41  
I can't say if it gives increased mileage but my grandfather did it for years with unleaded gas in tractors. He claimed it helped lubricate the upper end of the engine. Don't know if it helped but he never had any valve trouble.



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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 18:53:40




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to JW, 06-08-2005 18:29:42  
Hi JW,

Yes Sir, and your Grandpa was right. Same way with geling #2 diesel fuel in the wintertime; you can cut it with gasoline.

Allan



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Ludwig

06-09-2005 15:21:20




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 18:53:40  
Mercedes Benz actually spec'd in the '80s a percentage of gasoline you could use to cut your diesel fuel if kerosene wasn't available to reduce the gell point. I think it was not more than 30%.



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KRUSS

06-09-2005 06:27:01




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 18:53:40  
Allen, you can put gasoline in your geled diesel if you want!!!!! I would use antigel which you can easily buy. That way I can sleep at night. PS we run tractors at -40 F



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Allan in NE

06-10-2005 04:06:13




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to KRUSS, 06-09-2005 06:27:01  
Kruss,

What's the difference wheather I cut it or the refinery cuts it? Not everything ya buy has to come in a pretty little plastic jug.

Allan



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KRUSS

06-10-2005 11:31:35




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to Allan in NE, 06-10-2005 04:06:13  
Allan
the pretty little plastic jug does not void the warranty on my pretty little 130,000 tractor for one thing. you buy oil to put in your tractors. I suppose anyonr could recondition oil if they wanted to. Every once in a while the pretty little plastic jug makes sense. Trust me its not gasoline that's in it. When you have some experience at ungelling at -40 let me know.



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roper6365

06-10-2005 14:50:57




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 Re: Big Discovery or Farmer Trickery in reply to KRUSS, 06-10-2005 11:31:35  
I think it was -40 when I came home bombed the other night :). Anyhow, Around here Off-road is under a 1.80 per gallon and anti-gel is cheap. That's not the old school way but it's the safe way and if a local wrench needs to get into your engine he'll like the fact you diden't run alot of other flammable liquids in it.



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