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Jon Holt

06-19-2005 14:10:51




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Cut and raked for the first time this season with my new acquisitions. Mowed the neighbors field with somewhat success. The sickle mower kept clogging up with dead stuff on the bottom and if I lifted it up high enough to go over the dead stuff I just mowed the tops. Went over it with my "new" rake (Case 401) and it didn't want to work at all. It kept hitting on something and binding up. Well, I will have to get the bugs out tonight and try again tomorrow.

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Jon Holt

06-20-2005 09:07:48




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 Re: haying in reply to Jon Holt, 06-19-2005 14:10:51  
Thanks for all of the posts. I do look at ebay alot (have several favorites that are emailed to me every day) and have bought a lot of manuals for some of the other equipment that I have. I guess I was just blowing off a little steam. I am planning on buying new guides and some sickle sections today after work and go at it again.



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TimS

06-20-2005 07:40:14




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 Re: haying in reply to Jon Holt, 06-19-2005 14:10:51  
I feel your pain, we went thru that last season while getting our antique baling gear in shape.

For the mowers, that old dead stuff from last year will make it real tough to cut, you just have to keep unplugging and go on. Sharp sickle sections, rock guards adjusted if needed so they are in close tolerance to the sickle sections moving back and forth, check wear plates and hold downs so the sickle bar is moving back and forth nice and tight against the rock guards, not slopping up and away from the guards where it can get grass in between and plug. If in doubt, buy some sickle sections, hold downs, wear plates, and sickle section bolts and redo all of it. You can redo all of it for under 100 dollars pretty easily, you might also consider picking up a spare sickle bar to have to swap in if the sections get dulled up midday while cutting.

On the rake, have someone drive the tractor while you walk behind and watch it work, if it has a chain the bearings under the chain sprockets may be shot allowing the sprocket to wobble and bind the chain, we had that problem.

Fresh chain and a new bearing has ours working great.

If it is a drive shaft coming from the rake axle, check the drive shaft itself ( ujoints ) for binding and slop. It may have enough slop to throw itself into a bind.

I ended up getting manuals for our sickle and rake and baler, but I also had to get them working somewhat before I had them so I understand your position there.

One of this board message boards faults is the first and sometimes only response if someone has a problem tends to be "do you have the manual?". Manuals are great to have, but some are very hard to obtain and the equipment needs to get working in the meantime.

Oh...the other response to a problem with a sickle mower is invariably the hay dr sticking in a plug for one of his disc mowers.

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Errin OH

06-20-2005 07:10:07




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 Re: haying in reply to Jon Holt, 06-19-2005 14:10:51  
Jon
Been there done that.

Couple hints, and I won't even mention the manuals (ops just did):^)

The mower will not like the dead wirey grass. They will go thru it better if nice tight and sharp. Given the description I would be guessin it was alot like my old NI. Losse and fairly wore. I had straight knives (not cerated(sp)) and was able to sharpen them. Couple wacks with a hammer on the hold down and I was able to muddle thru it. Best thing you could do at this point is get the field cleaned up. Once you get the hay off, go over it with a grass mower and remove as much as you can. The next time you will be ahead of the trash part and the mower will be a little more forgiving.

Rake wise, "keep hitting something and binding up" Not sure but think it would be the ground. I suspect that if you had something on the rake hitting itself you would notice that. Try to adjust the rake so the teeth ride just off the gound. I had a lot of this trouble with three point rakes. Don't know if the 401 is or is not but three point will be a little rougher to set than a wheeled rake. 3pt drift, & gound conditions, make a hug difference in where the rake is. Trail wheels go a long ways helpin that.

BTW if you cut very high the rake may not do a very good job. Tall stubble holding on to it while try to move it over.

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Dave H (MI)

06-19-2005 19:19:55




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 Re: haying in reply to Jon Holt, 06-19-2005 14:10:51  
After reading all the posts from daddyj I am not sure I want to get involved with this, so....just curious but did you get any MANUALS with your equipment or are we just writing our own as we go?



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Jon Holt

06-19-2005 20:03:51




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 Re: haying in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-19-2005 19:19:55  
I would love to have manuals for this equipment. Unfortunately, I can't afford nice fancy new equipment that comes with a manual and a knowledgeable dealer. Here is my equipment list that I use for baling and if you can find me manuals for this I would be glad to buy them. 1.MM 7ft. sickle mower UM4 2.7ft. sickle mower that bolts directly to the axle on IH M and H. (not sure of the model) 3.Case 401 rake. (found a parts manual but not an operating manual) I do have a JD 850 rake but the gearbox went out on it and I haven't had time to overhaul it yet. I don't want to come accross as a jerk, but when I can only afford to buy cheap stuff, that is what I get and it takes a while to figure it out. But by all means if you have any MANUALS let me know.

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Dave H (MI)

06-20-2005 07:10:55




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 Re: haying in reply to Jon Holt, 06-19-2005 20:03:51  
Jon - Search ebay daily. Most equipment will have literature of some type and it WILL come up.
I have manuals for every piece of equipment I own and it was all "classic" farm machinery. I'm not trying to be a jerk either. Just trying to help you not write the next classic work of literature in lieu of a manual. Something like "Vanities of the Barn-fires" or "Pair-of-arms Lost". Keep looking and working at it....you'll get the equipment AND the hay right.

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Roper6365

06-20-2005 07:44:29




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 Re: haying in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-20-2005 07:10:55  
The Manuals are nice but there is no subistute for experience. I"v begun haying for myself this year and have learned more by trial and error than any manual can teach me. IE Ground speed VS. PTO speed. It only took 2 major plugs in my haybine to figure out how that works :)
As far as bailing, The manual comes in handy as far as setting up the unit and helpful tips to make nice bales but ya need to blow a few bales up and wad the knotter up a few times to understand what thier saying.
Ebay is no doubt a great place to find Manuals, I"v bought all of mine there. You will find the Trouble Shooting section most useful.

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