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Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 11:46:53

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Hi Guys,

I've got to move an on New Holland 495 swather half way across the county on some back county roads.

Somewhere along the line I've gotten the idea that this thing is really gonna be "tongue heavy" because of the way you move the tires around for transport.

Can I tow it in transport position with my old Chevy pickup? Or will I need to take a tractor clear over there to get it?

Thanks,

Allan

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KEH

06-21-2005 14:33:18

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Allan, After looking at the picture carefully, which I should have done before my last post, I don't think there is that much weight on the tongue. The gearbox and roller drive are over the wheels, and the heavy hitch is behind the wheels.

KEH

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Brokenwrench

06-21-2005 06:44:17

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Hello Allen, Doesn't the regular tongue swing over to the right? I run a 9ft 1190 CIH, and with it swung over I can get thru a 16 ft gate with room to spare. I've pulled mine all over that way behind my truck. It's still plenty tongue heavy, but it looks like it would be balanced better. If that works for you, you wouldn't have to worry about going thru all the hassle to move the wheels around every time you want to road it somewhere and you wouldn't be out anything, cause when you get home you're gonna put it back in hay cuttin mode anyway. Good Luck and most of all have fun with it once you get it home, however that may be Brokenwrench

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Leland

06-20-2005 18:47:02

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Allan if it were me I would rather have a 1209 deere with a hyd swing tounge , with one of those I could run in H2 or 3 with an 806 they cut better than a NH IMO but since you are in a bind you got to do what you have to do.

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Hemit

06-20-2005 18:22:35

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Do you think the wheels of the swather can handle some counterweight on the rear end to lighten the tongue weight?

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 18:32:35

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Hemit, 06-20-2005 18:22:35

Boy, I dunno.

I'm wondering if that 'towing tongue' might shorten up a bit for towing behind a vehicle. Seems like it is stretched out quit a bit in the picture.

And, it seems odd that NH would build it into the machine and not expect it to be towed by ordinary pickups.

If push comes right up against shove, the regular tongue will move over far enoughto the right that the swather is almost straight behind.

I guess I'll find out when I get over there to drag it home.

Thanks,

Allan

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KEH

06-20-2005 18:14:20

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Allan, Don't know about your Haybine, so I wont add anything except to say be careful about putting too much weight on the back of the truck and getting the front end light. I was struck by your remark about crossing open range. Don't guess you mean the old time open range. That reminds me of a story. About 1971 the wife and I took a trip to the Grand Canyon and not too far out of Flagstaff on hwy 180 we saw signs warning of open range. Seems the cows had the right of way. At the intersection of 180 and 64 there was an attempted real estate development, few roads cut through the brush. About 15 years later wife and I and 2 girls took another trip through there. A few roads still in the brush, a trailer or two, a campground, and a filling station where the owner tried to sell me $140 air shocks because the station wagon was loaded down, sorta like the Beverly Hillbillies car. I said no thanks, drove car another 100k miles, no new shocks. Turned out the place hadn't developed because there was no water, had to truck in water from Flagstaff. Couple of people had drilled 5000 foot dry holes. Volcanic soil there wont hold rainfall. Oh well, good luck on the drive. Liked your Green grain drill. Hope I don't double post this time.

KEH

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 18:20:13

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to KEH, 06-20-2005 18:14:20

Hi Guy,

Yep, this is what this is. This particular road crosses open cattle range that has no fences except for auto gates between owners.

Meaning the road is right out with the cattle. Lots of this thing going out here. County keeps it well maintained tho. :>)

Allan

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David A. Hodson

06-20-2005 16:27:38

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Now Allen you could've had that 66 series tractor in the picture too you know for those of us that like the old 66's. David

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 16:33:43

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to David A. Hodson, 06-20-2005 16:27:38

Hi Dave,

Boy, I really don't wanna road a tractor all the way down there, some 15 or 18 miles. I know the truck will "pull" it okay, but was sure wondering about my reveiver hitch being stout enough to hold the weight.

Well, not the hitch so much, but the darned receiver insert. That thing just looks awfully heavy to me. I guess all I can do is try it and see. :>(

Allan

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TimS

06-21-2005 08:06:13

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 16:33:43

What is the total weight of one of those?

It kind of looks like the heavy end is over the wheels in that picture, is that right? If so the end on the pickup would be probably 25% of the total weight, check your hitch and insert and make sure the weight is below or at what it is rated for.

I personally wouldn't worry about going over the hitch and inserts weight rating a bit ( maybe 25 % or so ) since it is a one time short distance slow speed tow, not as much dynamic energy shifting around that way.

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Dixieland

06-20-2005 15:37:19

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Hey Allen, will it fit on a trailer? If not, looks to me like a pickup truck should pull it ok.

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paul

06-20-2005 12:58:24

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

I would not call that thing a swather. Swathers lay down grain for drying to combine later. Some have crimper rolls that you can bolt it & use it for hay as well.

This thing has the crimper rolls in for all time. It is designed for hay making.

Would call it a haybine around here.

Could be a regional thing?

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 14:21:19

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to paul, 06-20-2005 12:58:24

Hi Paul,

I call your swather for grain a draper. Yep, regional. :>)

Allan

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brian 1

06-20-2005 12:42:20

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

How far is far? Might be a nice drive on the tractor.

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Walter Squires

06-20-2005 12:23:29

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 11:46:53

Allen I used to pull my 495 all over the country with a 3/4 ton pick-up, there pretty heavy on the tounge though.
Don't you just love going from transport to field position or visa versa on a 100 degree afternoon.

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 14:18:39

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Walter Squires, 06-20-2005 12:23:29

Hi Walter,

I wouldn't even fold it up, but I've got to cross some open range with about 10 cattle guards and if I don't fold, I'd probably have to stop at every one and "weave" the old gizmo thru 'em.

I've got a receiver hitch on the old pickup with overload springs, so I think it will handle it, but just didn't know about that hitch and how much weight I'll be dealing with.

Thanks,

Allan

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Rick in Michigan

06-22-2005 12:09:28

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 14:18:39

I hauled my 495 Haybine (I call it a "Haybine" cause that's the name the factory put on it) about 25 miles without switching over to transport position - just closed up the tongue as narrow as possible. Had it for 3 years now. One of the best investments I've made in a while...other than the Corvette i bought at an Ag auction!

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Harley

06-20-2005 13:47:56

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Walter Squires, 06-20-2005 12:23:29

Like you have said so many times old buddy. Too many variables here. How far? Town or country? Bumper hitch or frame mounted receiver hitch? Come on newby, give us some more information on this. Hehehehehe, Harley

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Ken Macfarlane

06-23-2005 07:15:47

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Re: Swather; 'Nother Dumb Question in reply to Harley, 06-20-2005 13:47:56

Alan,
I wouldn't tow it with a truck that far unless it was on a trailer. That isn't so far to go with a tractor. The IH 584 and 585 we use can be opened up pretty good on the road, hit maybe 20-25 mph and gets the flames coming out the exhaust at night.

Our NH489 weighs the tractor down quite well, I wouldn't even think of pulling it with a pickup.

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