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Broken Wheel Dish (Centers)

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Rod F.

06-21-2005 19:41:42




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Evening all,

I've just broken the wheel dish (center) on my 7710. This has the older 8 bolt style flange wheels. This is actually the second one I've busted now. The other one broke about a year ago. These centers seem to have a few points of carbon to them, but they're not extremly hard. Certainly, to some degree a spring steel. With that said, I've had no luck welding them. I tried a 7018 on the first one, and now a Sodel 330 on the second center. The result was the same for both, with the center cracking again within 1 hour's service. These cracks were well beveled out, and welded from one side, but the new cracks seldom follow the old. New cracks seem to develop across the weld bead, at random. The original cracks radiate outwards from the wheel nuts.
I'm just curious if anyone out there has had experience with welding these centers, and if so, what kind of success you've had. I have a new wheel on order. I'm just tring to get a few more days from this, as it may be Friday or more likely Monday before I can get the parts, and I need the tractor. Curiously awaiting your ideas....


Rod

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François

07-27-2005 10:24:44




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 Re: Broken Wheel Dish (Centers) in reply to Rod F., 06-21-2005 19:41:42  
This wheel dish is may be in cast iron. To verify this, you can do a spark test with a grinder. If there are only few red and exploding sparks, it is cast iron. If there are a lot of long and yellow sparks, it is steel.

If your part is in cast iron, you should use Sodel Cu89 to repair the part (except if the part is oil contaminated, then you should use sodel 352 as buttering layer on the dirty iron and after use Sodel Cu89 to fill the groove).

If it is high carbon steel, usually cracking should occur in the hardened heat affected zone (beside and under the weld bead). When cracking occurs in the weld bead, it is generally related to surface contaminants (oil, grease...). Clean the surface (grinder) and preheat the part around 300F (using sodel 330). Slow cooling is also recommended.

If it is a free-machining steel (containing high sulfur or high Pb(lead)), it is sometimes impossible to weld...

FL (Sodel)

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frankiee

06-22-2005 14:26:37




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 Re: Broken Wheel Dish (Centers) in reply to Rod F., 06-21-2005 19:41:42  
By a few points of carbon I am guessing that you mean 0.30 %. That would put it just on the line of low and medium carbon steel.
Tell you the truth I don't know what kind of a wheel you are talking about. But.
If I were to weld it I would have a torch and heat the whole thing up and while welding I would have someone keep the heat on it with the torch. This wil help reduce the "Heat Affected Zone"
After welding I would let it slow cool over nite maybe in sand.
I would then heat the whole wheel up with the torch and try to anneal it "remove built up stresses"
I would only try this if the wheel has no loads that would be placed on it that if it failed that It could cause death or injury
Again, I dont know what this wheel if for.
I also perfer 6011 rod

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Rod F.

06-22-2005 14:49:01




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 Re: Broken Wheel Dish (Centers) in reply to frankiee, 06-22-2005 14:26:37  
Hi Frankiee,

The wheel is on a Ford 7710. It's got about all the stress on it that any wheel can have. Snap on duals, 100+ PTO HP ahead of it, and enough ballast to keep them from spinning. That said, it's not something that will cause me any harm. It fails slowly, and I'm well aware of it when it happens. The wheels are the 2 piece variety. They have a center that is bolted to the rim. These centers have been cracking outwards from the lug nuts. I can't tell you for sure how much carbon is in the steel, but I would say it's closer a spring steel than mild plate. The centers can still be drilled without a press, but it's not like mild plate by any means. I think you may be right about the heating and cooling. It's probably the most important component in welding these things. It's probably a moot point now though, as FedEx says the new center will be here Friday morning. Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on this.

Rod

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2x4

06-21-2005 22:22:47




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 Re: Broken Wheel Dish (Centers) in reply to Rod F., 06-21-2005 19:41:42  
That happened to my Ford 3910 before I bought it. Rear rim had shattered into many pieces & someone welded it back & it has held, but I have no idea how they did it or what they used. Must be a defective process that they use in rim making.



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thurlow

06-21-2005 20:08:14




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 Re: Broken Wheel Dish (Centers) in reply to Rod F., 06-21-2005 19:41:42  
Shoup (and some other parts houses) have a reinforcing ring which you weld onto your broken rim; don't know if they have one for your rim or not..... ..



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