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Tim...Ok

06-23-2005 09:02:51




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I"ve been using 6013"s for years in my shop and like"em real well,but they ain"t working worth a darn outside with this portable..It"s a Miller Bobcat 225,building pipe fence..what rod would ya"ll recommend for this??
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Tim




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frankiee

06-23-2005 19:22:57




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Tim...Ok, 06-23-2005 09:02:51  
Can you take a piece of fence in to your shop and try it with your old 6013 rod? It could be the welder. Is it a rental?
If you use 6013 for years on different stuff and get good results then the thing that is different is the welder as far as I can understand.
I went to the Bobcat 225 site and it says that it works well with 7018



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old

06-23-2005 09:17:44




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Tim...Ok, 06-23-2005 09:02:51  
My self I would use 7014 or 7018. And if memory servers me right thats a DC welder so the 7018 would be the best but the 7014 does also work good and its also what is called a fast rod.



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Bobl1958

06-23-2005 13:49:24




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 Re: Welding question in reply to old, 06-23-2005 09:17:44  
7018 is a very high tensil strength rod, but your metal needs to be very clean. Rust, even surface rust, will get into the welds and cause weakness. Also, the 7018 and 14 are not very good all position rods. I agree, old, they are very good rods when used in the right application. For old pipe or sucker rod etc, 6010 or 6011 would still be my choice.



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old

06-23-2005 13:59:55




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bobl1958, 06-23-2005 13:49:24  
Its the only rod I use and at times I weld almost standing on my head, I never have any trouble welding up down or side ways. The box even says all position rod



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champspa

06-23-2005 14:26:18




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 Re: Welding question in reply to old, 06-23-2005 13:59:55  
the 3rd number in a lincoln rod chart designates the position. 1 any position, like a 7018 or 6010 or a 7010 , a 2 in the 3rd position designates flat or horizontal like 7024 and so forth. just a fyi hope it helps someone. the 4th number is the type of flux . any number that ends in 4,7, or 8 is a jet rod and can weld with maitaining minimum gap between rod and metal. other ways known as a drag rod.

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Bobl1958

06-23-2005 14:05:43




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 Re: Welding question in reply to old, 06-23-2005 13:59:55  
I agree with you. But I meant that you really need to be a pretty good welder to weld 7018 upside down and make it hold anything. Plus, the metal absoutely needs to be clean or the impurities will make a weak weld, even though the weld itself looks good. May not make that much difference on a fence, though. Just a lot easier for an average welder to get by with 6011.



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Bobl1958

06-23-2005 09:08:12




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Tim...Ok, 06-23-2005 09:02:51  
I would guess there is some newer, better rod, but I have used 6011 for years with good luck. It is very forgiving to rust and paint, etc. Plus it is plenty strong if you put it on right. Bob



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