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caleb

06-29-2005 16:13:41

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5,000 dollars for a 1965 4020 Gas, Narrow front, 6200original hours, 3pt w/original quick hitch, weighted down front and rear, 1 SCV, great original paint, fenders, lights that work, tires are 15% (but I wont be using it to plow for a few years), they say that it wouldnt hurt to tune it up. I have not driven this tractor or heard it run. I was asking about price because I wont need a tractor to farm with for at least four more years and a tractor of this condition(assuming mechanical is good) will cost way more by then and I am wondering if it wouldnt hurt to buy it now and fix little/big things in time. I have never bought a tractor and was wondering what should I ask, how should I test it, what commonly goes wrong on these, what would deter you from buying this if it werent working right or broke, how should I negotiate price if at all? All help would be appreciated. I want a tractor that isnt perfect so that I can learn to work on it as I go, is this one it? Thanks for any help or suggestions. Caleb

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caleb

06-30-2005 17:11:06

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Heres as picture of it in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Now you may make your comments seeing the picture. I realize that it could need mechanical work but as far cosmetics its in good shape for an original.

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Leland

06-30-2005 20:14:39

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Re: Heres as picture of it in reply to caleb, 06-30-2005 17:11:06

I still would ask to put a bush hog or something on it and work it to make sure clutch is good and has no temp or low oil pressure problems once it get heated up good looks don't mean squat our's 4010 looked like it had been drove off a cliff and I am sure it is probley a lot better tractor than that one since it had had a recent major but don't go by looks.

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Mike M

06-30-2005 18:14:01

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Re: Heres as picture of it in reply to caleb, 06-30-2005 17:11:06

If that is original paint you better snatch it up ! I'd still try to get them down a little because of the narrow front. It will make a handier utilty tractor with that NF but don't tell them that,act like you need to change it over to a wide front. What state is it in ?

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SMA in NE

06-30-2005 09:38:04

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

I currently own a 4020 gas tractor. I use to put up 150 acres of alfalfa and do a little custom work also. I pull a 16' windrower, JD 535 baler, and a Gehl 12 wheel rake. I was estimating my fuel usage at about 5 to 5 1/2 gal per hour. I did some custom windrowing next to town the other day and filled up at the pump. I Ran the tractor for a little over 3 hours and put in 14 gallons of gas, so that computes to a little less than 5 gallons per hour. I still have the Marvel Schleber carb on mine, but I did go completely through the carb this spring. I don't think I've got quite the HP a diesel puts out but it is getting the job done. I bought this tractor with a Dual loader on it for $4250 on an auction. I sold the loader to a friend (I have a Farmhand 258 for it). I added the second hydraulic valve, rebuilt the water pump, bought a new seat, and had it painted.

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Mike M

06-30-2005 05:17:55

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Don't let these guys scare you off !! I have a 4020 gas and love it for what I do with it.You have to know what you want one for.I wanted a tractor that would start easy in cold weather to blade the drive,pull stuck trucks up the hill,put a loader on to use for various lifting and moveing jobs most of which I fire it up do the job and put it back away when done.Lucky if it runs an hour.Lots of starting and stopping. I couldn't ever see running a diesel this way as they are better for hard work.This gasser is up to the hard work when needed. I have done several all day land clearing digging loading jobs,nice to have the power when needed.On those rare occasions of hard use by me it will really suck down the gas,but these are rare for me to use it this much.Not sure how long I've had it 12years maybe ? Paid $5500 back then and it had a wide front end.Had about 5500 hours now it has 5900 ? so you can see I don't use it much.I would deduct at least $1000 for a narrow front end over a wide.I'd say their price is close to good,as long as it runs allright.Biggest problem on them is that aluminum square box looking Marvel Schebler Carb.Hard to get the off idle and acceleration to work right. Hopefully it has been changed over to the much better Zenith cast iron carb.

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JDknut

06-30-2005 03:43:03

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Go on the "Bashing Board" and talk to "I Bleed Green". He has a 4020 gasser and likes it a lot. It was featured in a picture in "Green Magazine" a couple of years ago. Nice looking machine. Meself, I don't like narrow front ends, but that would be a good tractor for collector purposes and occasional use. If you don't use it that much or that hard the extra fuel usage is not that bad.

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buickanddeere

06-29-2005 21:44:24

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

If it's going to just be a cheap odd jobs tractor to use at peak season. Or a tractor you need to start in cold weather on short notice without a block heater. Then go ahead and purchase it. You can purchase a lot of extra gasoline for $3000.00 You won't be getting hit with big buck bills for injection pump and injector work either. The gasser 3020 and 4020 can be tamed of thier thirst if set up correctly. An 8 gallon an hour tractor has mechanical problems.

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paul

06-29-2005 21:01:31

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Which tranny does it have, or did I miss that in my old age? I"ll guess the older poorer tranny setup.

Bad engine.
Gas engine.
No tires.
Narrow front of pretty big tractor.

Whew, I"d bring the price down 20% or more. Each of the above are serious handicaps.

Look for a diesel engine to replace the gasser - you can"t afford to work a 100hp tractor on gas. I love the gas engines in my 30-50 hp tractors, but about died refueling my 100hp combine, replaced the combine with the exact same diesel model, what a difference.

Look for a good deal on a used wide front. That narrow front will leave you in the mud _all_ the time.

Then you will have a lot of mechanical experience, and a tractor worth owning. Probably won"t be cheaper than buying one outright in that shape, but who cares. You have 4 years, might as well have some fun. :)

--->Paul

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champion landscaping

06-29-2005 18:44:58

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

dont buy a 4020 gas (yull go broke) and dont get the slect o speed (the linkige wears out and it operates like crap)

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Jacky K

06-30-2005 03:10:37

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to champion landscaping , 06-29-2005 18:44:58

Wow you sure know allot about a 4020 and John Deere! When did John Deere have Slect O Speed? I cant remember John Deere using that name. How about Power shift?

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ljl

06-29-2005 19:13:49

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to champion landscaping , 06-29-2005 18:44:58

if is nice been well taken care of i would at todays prices because the engine in a 77oo deisel combine is a exchange and there are tons of them sitting around just rusting that is if you can do your own work

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cd with champion landscap

06-29-2005 18:41:30

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

u buy a gas 4020and yer screwin yer self man

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wolfman

06-29-2005 18:20:14

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Any gasser over say 60 hp will be thirsty. At $2 a gallon & climbing, I'd consider a $5000 Diesel or if you want a gasser maybe a 656 or smaller. My 2 cents. Check Nebraska tractor tests for hp hr per gallon. If it's under 10, it'l be thirsty.

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Doug in IL

06-30-2005 19:02:16

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to wolfman, 06-29-2005 18:20:14

Nebraska Test #939 shows 95.59 maximum pto horsepower @12.12 Hp. Hrs./gal. So that figures out to 7.88 gallons per hour at its absolute maximum power output for the 4020 Gas. Test #930 shows the 4020 Diesel at 94.88 maximum pto horsepower @15.82 Hp Hrs./gal. That figures to 5.997 gallons per hour at it's maximum output. Both of the test tractors had Syncrorange transmissions. Gas is cheaper than diesel here right now! That gas tractor may not be that bad a deal.

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John A.

06-29-2005 17:59:09

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Caleb, Saw a mid 60s... 4020- Powershift, 2 remotes, and a wide front, they were asking $3250 for it. NOW,... that is what I would be looking for if I were you, instead of a gasser!
Later,
John A.

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GGS

06-29-2005 17:49:21

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

When we had one back in the late 70,s it used about 8gal of gas per hour to plow. We had it a few months and got rid of it. All in all it wasn't a bad tractor just liked its liquid to much.

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Leland

06-29-2005 17:42:17

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Run it under load if he will let you if not he may tring to hide something.

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Midwest redneck

06-29-2005 17:08:03

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Nope I would offer $3,000 and see what he says.

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Indydirtfarmer

06-29-2005 16:59:14

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

If it was diesel, you could tack on $3000 or more to that price. Being gas, that's about the high limit.

If you buy it, start drilling your own oil well immediately..... .

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Nebraska Cowman

06-29-2005 16:36:14

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:13:41

Sounds plenty high unless it is in real good shape and that don't sound likely. that "oh, it might need a tune-up' is a salesman's lie from way back. If it only needed a tuneup he would have done it.

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Derek Broerse

06-29-2005 20:02:45

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-29-2005 16:36:14

I was recently working on a Ford 2000 that 'only needed a tuneup' for the neighbour who bought it last summer like this. Tune up helped a bit but didn't eliminate the constant popping etc. Compression is 70psi on all three cylinders (should be around 130-140). Oil trick doesn't help, indicating valves.

My guess: Running unleaded fuel for too many years in a leaded fuel motor has probably pounded the valve seats out of it... ie: not a cheap repair.

If you are serious about this tractor take a compression guage with you, as I would bet this is a very common problem in old gasser tractors.

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caleb

06-29-2005 16:50:03

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-29-2005 16:36:14

that might be true. but what if its not? I realize what salesmen are all about, selling it to you and never seeing you again in most cases. Thanks for the reply. Its in awesome physical shape and I would probably overhaul the thing anyway, what would you offer for it like that. Caleb

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Robert in W. Mi.

06-29-2005 18:01:12

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to caleb, 06-29-2005 16:50:03

Think about it for a minute!!! OVER $16.00 per hour just for fuel alone, and CLIMBING!!!

No it won't use that much idleing along, but work it any and you will cry every time you use it!

Then there's that narrow front!

Robert

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edchainsaw

06-29-2005 20:14:41

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Re: would you pay ....... in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 06-29-2005 18:01:12

i have a good friend that sold his dad's gas4020 that he just redone in his ffa shop... sold it for 3800... and it was really really done well.

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