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Routing of canister oil lines ????

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Way Up Here

08-20-2005 09:58:01




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On a remotely located canister oil filter (with the drop in cartridge), which oil line (pressured or return) goes to which fitting on the steel canister? I've been told both ways. Right now I've hooked up the "pressure" line from the block into the bottom of the canister and up into the tube inside, then through the filter from the inside to outside, then return to the oil pan. More than one guy has told me this is wrong yet I have seen it done this way on many tracctors. Plus, on another canister I have here, it is stamped IN at the bottom (up into the inner tube in the canister) and OUT on the side of the canister. So which way is correct? Does the filter work better with oil moving from inside to outside, or from outside to inside? I know fuel filters work from outside(inlet) to inside (outlet) and they're usually marked.

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Bob

08-20-2005 10:10:00




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 Re: Routing of canister oil lines ???? in reply to Way Up Here, 08-20-2005 09:58:01  
What machine are you working with, and is the filter cannister original, or an add-on? I believe Fram, Purolator, etc., made add-on filter kits for many applications.

I would say by far the most common setup is oil ENTERS into the main housing, flows through the filter media, and then exits into the hollow center post, and then out the bottom.

Typically, there is a small hole in the center post near the top that serves as a restrictor to prevent too much oil from passing through the by-pass filter setup, and dropping engine oil pressure. Also, this exit port near the TOP of the center post allows air trapped in the filter housing to exit. If it were to be plumbed backwards, fed at the top, and having the oil exit lower down on the cannister side, you would never get much filtration, as you'd have a big air bubble trapped around most of the filter.

Take a close look at the unit you have, and note where the ports are, and consider how air would vent, and you may be able to figure out what orientation makes sense!

I have a few tractors and machines around with these cannister filters... I'll take a look at how they're plumbed, and post back.

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Way Up Here

08-20-2005 11:30:31




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 Re: Routing of canister oil lines ???? in reply to Bob, 08-20-2005 10:10:00  
The one I have in my parts bin is a Purolator steel canister and is exactly the same as the one on my tractor which has a 4-cylinder Continental flathead F400 series engine. The Purolator is stamped INLET at the bottom center (oil would enter the canister's center pipe here)and flow into the inside pipe. There is a single, very tiny hole in the side of this pipe, probably no more than 1/16" diameter. There is no air or oil escape anywhere else on this pipe tower, it is closed off and threaded at the top (for attatching the canister lid). The other opening is stamped OUTLET and it is located on the side of the canister, not too far from the top edge. So on this one anyways, oil obviously is filtered from the inside of the filter to the outside. Maybe others are different. There is no pressure relief set up here since it is part of a bypass oil filtration system. A plugged filter doesn't mess up anything other than the oil stops being filtered but the engine still gets a full oil supply. I couldn't see this system working the other way, that hole in the inner stem would be too small to pass any signifigant amount of oil back to the engine because of the pressure drop on the way back. I think I have mine done right for this particular engine, not all engines, but this engine with a bypass system of filtering.

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Larry from MD

08-20-2005 15:03:19




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 Re: Routing of canister oil lines ???? in reply to Way Up Here, 08-20-2005 11:30:31  
Way you are correct if conected the other way the preasure in the filter will blow out the gasket on the end.



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Bob

08-20-2005 20:33:01




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 Re: Routing of canister oil lines ???? in reply to Larry from MD, 08-20-2005 15:03:19  
Well, Larry, you are WRONG about the gasket blowing out if the inlet line connects to the outer fitting on the cannister.

I checked my collection of old stuff today, and here's the results:

9N Ford tractor... inlet line to fitting on side of cannister, outlet line on bottom of cannister, beneath, and fed from, center post.

1951 8N Ford tractor... inlet line to fitting on side of cannister, outlet line on bottom of cannister, beneath, and fed from, center post.

1952 Ford truck, 239 flathead V-8... inlet line to fitting on side of cannister, outlet line on bottom of cannister, beneath, and fed from, center post. There are NEAT decals on this one, gold background with black letters, indicating the inlet and outlet, and it is connected accordingly.

1953 GMC truck, 261 straight-6 engine... inlet line to fitting on side of cannister, outlet line on bottom of cannister, beneath, and fed from, center post.

Massey #92 combine, with Chrysler flathead 6-cylinder engine... inlet line to fitting on side of cannister, outlet line on bottom of cannister, beneath, and fed from, center post.

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