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Jerry Cent. Mi.

08-29-2005 09:52:56




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I have several nest of Bees uuder a building and in the ground. I have tried wasp killer and carb. cleaner. The closes that I have gotten to stopping them is a pan of oil. A garden radio show claimed that powered Boric Acid around the holes works. I know that it works on Roaches in the south. I want to try it but havn't found the material. DOES IT WORK? Jerry




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Don L C

08-29-2005 21:03:51




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
Well I had a large area in my yard that was full of yellow and black, large wasp....I tried many of the things you guys have....one day I was looking through my garden cabinet.....there was a 5# bag of " 7 " powder....that evening , after they went to bed I toook the back side of agarden rake and covered the holes....covered the ground with the powdered " 7 "....next day they doug out into the " 7"....took it down in the nest..... THE END

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Dave H (MI)

08-29-2005 18:54:43




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
Those are gonna be yellow jackets...a perennial pest around here. They vary nest to nest, some are very peaceful but watch out for the ones that aren't. They will find you even at night by attacking the flashlite beam. They have guards at the nest opening and they attack on sight.

I kill them every summer and my favorite way is to get water into the nest and collapse it. I push the hose up near the entrance and run it on a trickle right down the nest hole all night long.
Most times this will get rid of them without anymore problems. Rarely do sprays work as they hatch out from sealed cells in the nest even after you kill all the workers. Try the water.

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Mark - IN.

08-29-2005 17:23:25




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
Must've chased most of them up by you, the little bas....s. Whatever you do, wait until after at least dusk after they settled in for the night, and can't see you as well to sting. They can still sting at night, and do. Be careful.

Some guys say gas and/or diesel, but soaking the ground don't do much, not unless you can locate all of the holes, get it down all of the holes, and light it to draw the oxygen out and suffocate them, but that won't get the larvae. Environmentalists aint gonna wanna hear that, and neither will the fire department if you burn down your barn, nor the insurance company.

Are some dusts can get, and mix, get into the holes (gotta locate all of the holes), and the bees will track it through the nests and kill them. Problem is, can't get the good stuff over the counter, gotta know the Orkin guy for that. You've gotta get them in the nest, and most sprays don't penetrate dirt that deep.

I got the living stuff stung out of me this weekend, and killed the ones in the railroad ties, not the buried ones like I thought. I heard my dog got nailed by them today. I'll get even for him when I'm home next weekend, the mean little bas....s. A month or so ago, ran into a nest in a pasture, and since wasn't near anything, blew a hole in the ground about 1.5' deep, 2' in diameter. Got the bees, but got a hole in the ground too, and there were tunnels from there. Haven't seen any bees there since, so the concussion must've got them. Them environmentalists wouldn't be happy with me, though. Angry yellow jackets are even angrier this time of year.

Mark

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Chris in Md.

08-29-2005 15:25:08




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
I concur with Mike, Sevin dust shot into the hole will kill them. It's not very expensive and it does the trick. Good Luck.



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dr.sportster

08-29-2005 12:59:23




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
Dont waste any money on the Kgro brand spray from K-Mart.Wife got three cans and it did very little to the nests I aimed at.She said watch its getting in your beer,I said dont worry its not toxic to bees or humans.The boric acid works good on carpenter ants but not real good on bees.



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Hurst

08-29-2005 12:01:29




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
We had a farm we leased once, adn out in the middle of one of the fields, there was a huge bumble bee nest underground there. They were causing problems with horses getting stung and then when bailing season came around, you can guess what kind of problems they caused. Anyway, we got a five gallon can of diesel and poured it down on the ground where the holes were and in the holes too. Then they lit it right as soon as the can was away. I don't know how close they are to the building, but if it is near it at all that could cause it to burn, then dont do this. Also, the grass needs to be green, not dried up and you can guess why. Hope this helps. You could also just try diesel without lighting it. Diesel wont evaporate like carb cleaner and gasoline, so it will stay in the ground for a while. Also, be cautious of where the groundwater goes (like wells right there etc.). Hope this is of some help.

Hurst

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Red Dave

08-29-2005 11:58:50




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
I'm not 100% sure of this, so don't kill the messenger if it's wrong, but I think the laundry product Boraxo is boric acid. Read the label on a box, it should tell you.

I know it will work on some pests, but don't know if it works on bees.



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Bob

08-29-2005 11:49:34




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
I am going to try Tempo insecticide on some in the ground near my farmhouse.

Anyone have any thoughts on this good/bad?



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Joe MD

08-29-2005 14:42:01




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Bob, 08-29-2005 11:49:34  
In my experience the Tempo works OK on flies (can knock them down a bit if you have a lot) and has no effect on wood boring bees like carpenter bees and other wood boring wasps.

I have never tried it on our honey bee nest in our barn floor, but the package says it is harmfull to honey bees.

I would use it and experiment more, but it costs like $60 just to make 15 gallons of the stuff.

A woodpecker took care of the carpenter bees and a clapboard of our 150 year old siding @(*@$&(@$@

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Chris in Md.

08-29-2005 15:27:53




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Joe MD, 08-29-2005 14:42:01  
If you need to match that siding let me know. I'm a custom woodworker. My shop is in Dickerson...South of Frederick.



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MH

08-29-2005 11:43:35




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
We have a similar problem with a retaining wall made out of railroad ties. Spray just does not work, Guess no direct access to the hole. I thought about drilling a hole from the top trough the dirt, just behind the railroad ties & pouring gas down the hole. I just need to work out a budget to save the $$ for the gas.:)



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mike brown

08-29-2005 10:30:15




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 08-29-2005 09:52:56  
They are probably yellow jackets. I don't know about boric acid but I do know powdered sevin will work. Borates work by killing the gut bacteria that digest wood in termites and carpenter ants starving them, not killing them directly. Might not work for carniverous insects.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

08-29-2005 15:09:30




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 Re: Ground Bees in reply to mike brown, 08-29-2005 10:30:15  
While I was in Florida we used an on the shelf powered Borax that we dusted along the walls for the Cock Roaches. The theory was that they get it on their feet and take it back to their nest. The lawn and garden show I was listening to had the same theory. We never saw an Roaches so it worked on them.



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