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Tim Shultz

09-05-2005 10:16:17




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I was wondering what ya'll got so upset for over my last post...
so if you guys can behave... remember what Kim said!!!
is it aganst the law to make your own fuel?
in IN.. read somewhere that you can get a permit...
I would only use it off road for my tractors...
like off road diesle...
so what is wrong with that?
anybody know the fine for getting cought?
ain't going to do it unless is allright with the law...
so if you guys can keep from getting out of hand this time I would like to hear what you think.
P.S my granpa made moonshine for a living so he could show me what to do and all that.
Tim Shultz
~steerboy89@hotmail.com~ E-mail me if ya' want to yell at me or somthing like that.. don't mess up this web site...

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Tim Shultz

09-06-2005 08:24:49




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Tim Shultz, 09-05-2005 10:16:17  
by the way anbody done this before?
just wondering....
Tim Shultz



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T_Bone

09-06-2005 00:08:57




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Tim Shultz, 09-05-2005 10:16:17  
Hi Tim,

As far as I know your allowed to make 400gals per person per month? without paying Federal fuel tax, however most States want there fuel tax money reguardless. I'm unsure of the length of time on the gallons as it was 400gal in a year but now either in a month or quater year.

Arizona fuel tax is $.18gal paid in advance(this is really important), so for $180yr you can keep State revenue people off your butt if your using the fuel in a AZ registered vehicle(s). There is no use tax for off road fuel.

The BATF's only concern if you don't make the alcohol undrinkable by adding a small amount of gasoline to the alcohol. Once you make it undrinkable, then it's a fuel and a IRS tax problem. That's what my research said 20yrs ago when I checked it out. The net info NOW being posted on the fourms reads about the same.

Now if your selling it, you have a whole bunch of regulations to follow.

Make sure you lable "it" correct.

A fuel additive has very little restrictions where a fuel has all kinds of restrictions.

A fuel tank mounted on wheels is generaly not EPA or State regulated unless that trailer leaves personal property. A fuel tank fixed to the property has all kinds of regulations to follow.

A better name for Biodiesel is vegetable oil as vege oil has no restrictions. A better name for gas is alcohol.

T_Bone

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Wi Craig

09-05-2005 15:45:16




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Tim Shultz, 09-05-2005 10:16:17  
Cought is correctly selled caught. That's my 3 cents.



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big fred

09-05-2005 16:39:40




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Wi Craig, 09-05-2005 15:45:16  
Good selling is important. ;o)



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Dug

09-05-2005 18:21:43




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to big fred, 09-05-2005 16:39:40  
Is this thread about making fuel or selling fuel?

: )

Dug



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Joe in IN

09-05-2005 13:48:53




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Tim Shultz, 09-05-2005 10:16:17  
In case you are lazy(not inferring) or can't find it... Here it is pastedf rom the ATF website...


G1: Can I produce beer, wine or spirits for my personal or family use without paying Federal excise tax and filing Federal paperwork?

Beer Production.
Removal of beer.

Wine Wine for personal or family use.

Spirits You cannot produce spirits for beverage purposes without paying taxes and without prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant. [See 26 U.S.C. 5601 & 5602 for some of the criminal penalties.] There are numerous requirements that must be met that make it impractical to produce spirits for personal or beverage use. Some of these requirements are paying special tax, filing an extensive application, filing a bond, providing adequate equipment to measure spirits, providing suitable tanks and pipelines, providing a separate building (other than a dwelling) and maintaining detailed records, and filing reports. All of these requirements are listed in 27 CFR Part 19.

Spirits may be produced for non-beverage purposes for fuel use only without payment of tax, but you also must file an application, receive TTB's approval, and follow requirements, such as construction, use, records and reports.

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Joe in IN

09-05-2005 13:50:08




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Joe in IN, 09-05-2005 13:48:53  
upon further reading, as long at you are 18 you can make beer and wine.... just can't drink it ...



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Redmud

09-05-2005 12:26:45




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Tim Shultz, 09-05-2005 10:16:17  
Tim, I posted but didn't have any info that would help, when I checked back the thread was gone, Don't know what happened, I don't think it was anything I said... I was wanting to make fuel several years ago, did lots of searching but don't remember much of my effort. But I'm thinking that it's not illegal for making fuel for your own use. And the stuff can even be drinkable if used on your farm. And I don't think the permit was anything much other than requesting it... I'm hunting my notes, and if I find anything I'll post it.

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Redmud

09-05-2005 13:09:49




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Redmud, 09-05-2005 12:26:45  
Check this out. Link Type "fuel" in their search box on the left.



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Tim Shultz

09-06-2005 08:13:37




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 Re: making fuel... in reply to Redmud, 09-05-2005 13:09:49  
thanks there redmudd!
Tim Shultz



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