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Quebec Bob

09-08-2005 10:16:32

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I am thinking of buying a 3pt backhoe for my 55hp 4WD older model Kubota with a fel on it. I am used to running a bulldozer-mounted backhoe for my father years ago. I see all kinds of 3 pt backhoes out there, some with skid plates to bolt onto the frame and some without. It only makes sense to me that it is too much weight and stress to buy one that only connects to the 3 pt hitch but maybe I'm wrong. I presume the manufacturers are focussed on making it easy to take on and off and want to avoid the skidplates for that reason. I also wonder if these things are toys or can you really do anything with them. I'd like to do ditching, draining and burying stumps. One thing seems clear: that it is a market where you get what you pay for. Anybody have experience here? What to look for and what to avoid? I'm going by the seat of my pants here and would appreciate a bit of help. By the way, I don't need anybody telling me how much cheaper it really is to hire someone. I have my wife for that. I am trying to justify a new piece of machinery here, but even I don't want something if its really won't perform. Thanks

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09-09-2005 18:34:41

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Re: 3 pt Backhoe for tractor? in reply to Quebec Bob, 09-08-2005 10:16:32

The company now know as American Trencher built the BRADCO backhoe attachments with the idea of removing excessive loading of the tractors' castings. These are VERY well built units that are extremely easy to mount and dis-mount ..... .position hoe using the hydraulics, disconnect hydraulic lines or PTO pump, remove the two wedge pins on the rear axle mounts and drive away. Click on the link for more info. Go to images 57 to 65....click to enlarge an image.

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Leland

09-08-2005 19:46:46

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Re: 3 pt Backhoe for tractor? in reply to Quebec Bob, 09-08-2005 10:16:32

I have saw my fair share of regular tractors torn up doing this with them the rear end housings are not as thick as a hoe's is and they crack and break ,it's just like the guy's that put a big push blade on the front of there 4WDS and think they have a D-8 cat and destroy the front ends and trannys . So my friend look for an industrail tractor and add a hoe to it you will be money ahead and happier in the long run.

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Mike Van

09-08-2005 12:23:55

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Re: 3 pt Backhoe for tractor? in reply to Quebec Bob, 09-08-2005 10:16:32

Bob, i've got a JD 165 3 pt. I use on an IH 574, about 50 h.p. I've never wrecked the tractor using it [weighs around 1500 lb] You want some front end weight, for sure. Short of a commercial unit [backhoe-loader] I don't think you can beat these things. I don't mean digging out 2' dia tree stumps of course, but ditch work down to 5 or 6 ft., rocks 2-3 ft dia. if you "play" with 'em. I wish I had mine years ago, the pick & shovel weren't kind to my back.

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Mike M

09-08-2005 11:43:46

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Re: 3 pt Backhoe for tractor? in reply to Quebec Bob, 09-08-2005 10:16:32

I had a small 20 HP cub cadet compact with a 6 1/2 foot backhoe on it. It had a subframe mount but was still quick attach. I would look for a subframe mounted unit. I was very surprized at how good it worked and I dug out several small stumps. It just always seemed to short of reach and you had to keep moving alot.

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Delbert from Lincoln

09-08-2005 17:30:08

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AOL.COM in reply to Mike M, 09-08-2005 11:43:46

I"ve discussed the same thing with my son, who works for a excavating company. He says in the spring of the year when the ground is moist, any ole maxchine will dig a decent hole, even a wetback with a shovel. But come July and August and hard dry packed ground, you need a heavy backhoe substanchily bolted to a heavy tractor. The 3 point hitch ones, the 3 point hitchs mostly are gravity fall, nothing to keep it from raising up when you put the hoe down. The ones he is used to running at work are Cats, and probablly cost more than the farm. Just his opinion.

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paul

09-09-2005 14:19:58

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Re: AOL.COM in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 09-08-2005 17:30:08

3pt backhoes have a stiff upper arm, so they do not raise & fall with the 3pt. I guess I've seen some real cheapies that just chain down too.

Anyhow, you want a good upper link mount on your tractor, & you want a tractor with a good differential case area. Those are the 2 places that get a lot of stress from a 3pt backhoe.

Obviously they won't dig side by side with a dedicated machine, but they sure do the odd jobs a person comes up with every year. If you look a while you can find a 8/10' used 3pt for under $3000 around here that will serve a farm owner well.

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Mike M

09-08-2005 18:07:17

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Re: AOL.COM in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 09-08-2005 17:30:08

Sure every machine has it's place,these little ones sure do a fine job for their size. Plus I can work in and around buildings something a big machine can't do. Better yet is those small excavtors you can dig along a wall and swing the whole thing around. But they are very pricey. Just thought of another thing I did with my little backhoe loader that you couldn't do with a large one. I moved a large pile of dirt out of my yard a little bucket full at a time didn't take too long. Best part was the next day you could hardly tell where I drove through the yard.A bigger machine would of torn that yard up.

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VaTom

09-09-2005 05:05:04

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Re: AOL.COM in reply to Mike M, 09-08-2005 18:07:17

My 7 footer rides on a subframe under a 25 hp compact. It's been on a remodel construction site for 2 weeks now, along with a Case 580. Mostly it gets used for landscape work. As Mike says, it'll go where something like the Case would tear up too much.

On this job, I do the digging the Case can't get in to. Removed well over 120 yds with my 14" bucket. Fast it ain't, but it works. My haudralic pump is about half the size it should be to work really well. OTOH, I've made several thousand dollars with it on this job alone.

Didn't pay much for mine. For the cost of a new add-on hoe, I'd vote with Leland and go for a full-size used hoe unless access was an issue.

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gravey

09-09-2005 09:42:37

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Re: AOL.COM in reply to VaTom, 09-09-2005 05:05:04

My 35 HP Kubota w/7' backhoe on the 3 point works great around the farm for trenching in water pipes and other misc. digging. Wouldn't want to try and make a living on it but I like it for small jobs where I'm not pressed for time. It does not ride up when the down pressure is called for. It lifts the back wheels off the ground!

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