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Allan in NE

09-12-2005 06:01:18

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Hey Guys,

Anyone got any experience with this new diesel that Ford puts in their superduties nowadays? Does it have the 'nads that the old 7.3 had?

I spent all day yesterday crawling over, around and under pickups comparing the darned things while there were no salesmen around. My brain is numb, but it still looks to me like that Ford is still the workhorse.

I need something tough and something that will last in a farming environment and I'd rather chop off an arm than spend money on a darned pickup anyway, so I'm in kinda a bad mood. :>)

But, if you were faced with the situation where you had to buy another pickup, what would ya get?

Thanks for your help,

Allan

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ntmcj

09-12-2005 23:26:44

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

I don't know about GM or Dodge, but be wary dealing with Ford if you expect warranty work done. A number of folks I know (including some family members) have had MAJOR problems dealing with Ford with engine problems. They balk at making the repair and then keep the vehicle for months. Just my 2cents worth.

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Kevin Bismark

09-12-2005 18:17:12

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

My 350 dually crew cab with the full 8 foot bed has the 7.3 diesel and has probably pulled more than most they made, she is a 99 with 195,000 miles, had a clutch and transmission input shaft replaced 60,000 miles ago, the clutch was fine but the bearing on the input shaft was making some noise so we just replaced it all. Was looking at a 2005 with the 6.0 diesel, got to talking to several friends who bought them, and they still didn't like the engine change their new trucks had less power and burned more fuel, 2 of these trucks with about 70,000 miles or less had the engine lock up at 70 on the highway, somehow an injector stuck open enough fill up the cylinder with fuel, wasn't a pretty picture. I decided to hold off on the new truck until they get this straightened out, guess all of them have some problems, was told at a dealer that these changes that all the big 3 auto makers did were to try to comply with some goofy EPA stuff for 2006, and they all have been having different problems, was told that ford all ready has something like a 6.8 diesel they are working on, and also a 6 cylinder diesel, herd they might offer it in a F-150 but don't follow this enough to be sure. If they stayed with the 7.3 diesel I wouldn't hesitate to pick up another one, one of the strongest trucks, good riding for a bigger truck, and lots of room in the cab, she doesn't exactly turn on a dime with the 30 foot trailer back there.
Kevin

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John M

09-12-2005 17:37:53

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Only Dodge with a diesel Ive ever rode in was a couple of weeks ago,2004 3500 Dually,sweet looking truck,but cant stand the racket the Cummins makes. Chevy just makes an ulgy truck to me,but the Duramax seems to have plenty of power,at leats the one I test drove last year did. The 7.3 is a good motor,but Ford had there hands all over it and nothing on it last. The problems with te 6.0 may have been all worked out by now,but youll have to buy a new one to get that advantage.

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Richard Scott

09-12-2005 17:36:41

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Haven't driven a Dodge since I retired from the gov't aeveral years back, but Dodge is about all the gov't bought. The bodies were all junk. Most of them leaked water around the windshield, on one assigned to me it went under the dash and started an electrical fire. Leaked air thru the door handle, real nice in the winter with 20 degree air blowing in on your arm. If you weren't careful when you released the parking brake, the pedal would pop up and hit your hand. Fortunately, I have suppresed the memory of the rest of the problems, but my experience with Dodges for 23 years convinced me to never buy one. Best engine in the worst body--isn't that frustrating?

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txgrn

09-12-2005 16:09:27

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Ford suck$........Dodge is the name of the game in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

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Scotmac

09-12-2005 14:22:56

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Okay...here's my two cents worth! Had a '99 Dodge with the five speed. Loved the truck...hated the service! My dealer spent six weeks changing the front crank seal right during harvest. Truck was just under warranty at 49,999 miles. Then got a 2003 Power Stroke. After hydro locking the motor at 60 MPH with trailer, and after numerous trips to Ford dealers shops across the Plains to have , ummmm let's see, I think 14 injectors, the injection pump, and the turbo replaced, all within the 30,000 to 50,000 mile range, I traded for an '05 Duramax. LOVE THE DURAMAX!!! Two trucks with over 40,000 trouble free miles! Get the highest rear ratio possible and you will be happy. 16 to 21 mpg empty with the gooseneck, 11 to 13 loaded. And...I hope it don't make anybody mad...but look up "dodge" in your Webster's and see what it says. There lies your answer.

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Mike M

09-12-2005 17:17:07

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Scotmac, 09-12-2005 14:22:56

You guys are makeing my old 1981 Ford F350 with a 460 gas look better all the time.How much did that fancy Chevy set you back ? $40,000 ? The most gas I have ever ran through it is 7 MPG with a heavy load a little better light load or empty.

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TP from Central PA

09-12-2005 18:34:53

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Mike M, 09-12-2005 17:17:07

I put a Cummins in a Chevy and got everything I wanted for alot less..... ..... ...Not to mention, since I put it together I know if anything goes wrong how to easily and quickly repair it.

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thejdman01

09-13-2005 05:01:19

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to TP from Central PA, 09-12-2005 18:34:53

I have heard alot about putting a cummins in a chevy. saw one once owner not around to talk to him about it. i googled it and there are quite a few kits out there. dont seem too bad or too pricy best of both worlds. i really am going to try it when wifes goes. but since you have done it can you tell me good bads easy? hard? dont look too bad but looks can be decieving. email thejdman04@cs.com if you want to talk to me about how bad it is. also her truck is a 96 w/a 6.5 in it what year cummins motor or model woudl i need? havent figured that out yet. i spose any would do jsut need an injection pump accordingly? thanks for any imput

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Tim...Ok

09-12-2005 13:13:12

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Decided to stir up a hornet"s nest this morning,didn"t ya?? LOL

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Allan in NE

09-12-2005 15:42:04

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Tim...Ok, 09-12-2005 13:13:12

No Sir,

Wasn't trying to start anything.

It was just that I knew I had a beating coming, I was scared and I wanted you guys to feel sorry fer me. :>)

I hope the blood stops by suppertime, 'cause this is the worst lickin' I ever took. That salesman caught me with a roundhouse; anyone seen my teeth? Geeze! What a bad day!

But anyway, it's over and now I can get back to my old tractors. 'Sides, I do way better dealing in old junk! :>(

Allan

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Tim...Ok

09-13-2005 04:16:04

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 15:42:04

Ah heck,just ribbin ya a lttle..this thread might as well say which is better,red or green..Just one of those topics that everyones strongly opinionated about.. I"ve always been a chevy guy,but I can"t get past that Isuzu diesel..last time chevy and isuzu got together they came up with the chevy luv..nuff said..lol but I don"t think you can go wrong with a dodge or an older ford.. Let the stoning continue ;^)

Tim

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chvet73

09-12-2005 12:56:47

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Get the Dodge. I'm on my second one. It's not a diesel, but still a great truck. You won't have any tranny problem if you get a real trans, the 6-speed manual.
Guy here at work is on his second Ford trany in his diesel. Failed at less than 15,000. All diesel automatics have problems.

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hbarnhardt

09-12-2005 17:37:00

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to chvet73, 09-12-2005 12:56:47

----- -Amen----- -

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thejdman01

09-12-2005 12:03:34

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

a dodge will not stand up to pulling anhydrous wagons trust me been there done that. unless you beef up the tranny, which costs about 8,000 dollars which is the price difference between a dodge and a duramax which already is beefed up. dont believe me go to dodge as them for the specs on a dodge tranny and then chevy duramax and compare the input shaft size. enough said. i love the cummins motor jsut not hte rest of the truck. as far as gasser STAY AWAY honestly i am not a ford fan but my prejudguce aside there big old 6.8 v 10 is gutless have one in our 450 superduty service truck. gutless. our dodge 3500 dulley v10 is better then the ford but no power house and neither are good on gas. at all. the 7.4 v-8 chevy honestly has more power w/less cylidners but again gas hog. alot of easy mods for the duramax out there to tweek them a tadget power and economy. and to testify to the power and strength of a duramax w/allison tranny it is the same combo they use in the top kicks 7000 series trucks. different pump and injectors but same block and tranny as in your 2500 chevy. how many ford 7000 trucks do you see with 6.0's in them????? ????? ?0 enough said

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Stum

09-12-2005 12:59:23

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to thejdman01, 09-12-2005 12:03:34

Thet tranny upgrade in a Dodge costs about $2000 exchange,includes billet converter,upgraded clutches and drums and severe duty bands. Just had one installed in my 98 diesel dually.Original trans. lasted 190,000 hard miles.Wait til that quasi allison takes a dump,that is a $6000 trans to rebuild. Trans shop that put mine in had 3 Duramax allisons in there,and it will run between $4-$6000 to repair them.

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thejdman01

09-12-2005 14:52:10

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Stum, 09-12-2005 12:59:23

old boss just had an upgraded tranny put in our 3500 dually was 8000. he drove the truck down there ours was skipping slipping everything. he went to a guy in alabama. took him 2 days and the bill was 8000 dollars. not 2000 i saw the bill. that was for him taking the old one out installing one of his off the shelf. saved us fighting it right now and were busy also saved the freight him sending us a new one and us sending back the old one. the tranny that was installed was supposedly new inside upgraded torque converter clutch packs everything and was 8000 on the head had the truck 2 days. took ours out put a completely different one in. upgrade possibly 2 grand but htats your work and your time. also thats if the old one is still good to upgrade but lets face it dodge never ahd a good transmission in it from the show room

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thejdman01

09-12-2005 11:55:47

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

chevy duramax. workhorses stout tranny. they have had alot of problems with the 6.0 worked most out by now early ones injectors leaked so bad would hydraulic the motor or dilute your oil enough to burn it up. buy a early chevy w/ a 6.5 w/a blown motor and put a cummins in place not too hard fits and they have kits for such.

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Jonfarmer

09-12-2005 10:54:27

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

You want one of them stinky, shaky diesel pickups?. I thought I wanted a diesel until I worked with one everyday, then I saw they were not so great. I worked for a landscaper who had a 2004 F350 pickup with the 6.0L in it. He also had a 2000 F350 with a 2-3yd dump on it that had a 7.3L. That 7.3 was really dead compaired to the 6.0L, but the 6.0L had a variable speed turbo on it that the whisle would drive me nuts inside the cab. He used the 2004 to haul his enclosed landscape trailer with a couple of large commercial zero turns in it, along with his other landscaping stuff, when he put the hammer down, not everything would be right side up in the trailer when he got to the job, yeah it has nads and it's totally bone stock, but they are also the noisyiest diesel pickups. Chevy Duramax is a good one, and the new common rail Cummins are powerful and alot quieter, but I don't really care for the Dodge trucks too much, only one I've drove is a 2002 2500 gasser and it handled like a tank down the road.

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kraigWY

09-12-2005 10:54:14

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

If you have a ford diesel, or plan on getting one, either used or new you need to check out this site Link

Its>Link simular to YT with forums for all the ford diesels, they will answer these questions and help with any repairs. I learned a lot about my two ford diesels, 94 & 99, they have a forum just for your 6 liter diesel.

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Silver Pig

09-12-2005 19:54:01

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to kraigWY, 09-12-2005 10:54:14

thedieselstop.com, the most idiotic website I have ever had the "pleasure" of perusing, nothing but a bunch of crybabies whinging about how Ford will not warranty the damage they did to their truck by "chipping" it, or otherwise abusing it. Most of the so called "moderators" are busy shilling for the advertisers, who just so convieniently are selling the above mentioned chips, transmission modifications, exhaust system modifications that will put the owner in violation of government mandated pollution controls, (let us ask the state inspection people what happens when you intentionally remove pollution control devices). If it isn't the above referenced crybabies, then your so called expert is a high school kid dreaming of his "ultimate" pickup, or a wannabee truck driver. Most of the posts are absolutely useless, asked by idiots, and answered by idiots.
Be sure to read the 2 page dialog on how to check your tire pressure. There is only one other discussion board that I frequent that even remotely approaches thedieselstop's standards of stupidity.

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BBx

09-13-2005 05:04:27

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Silver Pig, 09-12-2005 19:54:01

Silver P - I agree with you about dieselstop.com. I read thru many post to get info about the 6.0. You are right. Most seem to talk about how they have modified their trucks so they can get white smoke from the tires and blow black smoke from the exhaust. And then whine because something broke.

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Redmud

09-12-2005 10:47:35

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allan, I have a Studebaker with a flatbed that runs out real good. fair tires, and not to much rust. Does smoke some when ye back off the gas on a down hill run, but that just lubes the valves, so it don't really hurt nothing. speakin of backin off the gas, you might need to do that a little ways before you get to where you want'a stop, the brakes are a tad short on stroke, and speakin of brakes and down hill runs, now and then, she will pick up a high speed wobble up around 35-40, no big deal though, you just tap the brakes 4-5 times and she will get right with the program. Understand now, all this just helps to keep you on your toes. You know that old saying, the mind is a terrible thing when asleep at the wheel. Which reminds me, the radio don't work either, I think it's just a tube and shouldn't cost to much to fix, and it's missing the knob off the dial, but it's easy to tune so that shouldn't be a problem. And as to the F350's, the Ford trucks have been the most trouble free trucks i've ever owned, and thats all I'll say about that.

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Bill46

09-12-2005 10:29:45

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Well Allen, I have trusted you guys on here with things I did not know...but I do know a little about trucks. Been around them all my life and had a mess of them since I retired from the Army. Dad was a trucker till he got killed last year.
He always had a Ford until Dodge came out with the Cummins. He switched over and never went back. He pulled hotshot loads after he turned 65. Last one he had went 450,00+ miles and is still on the road.
They did have some problems when they went away from the Bosch pump for awhile...but the newer ones are much better.
I have a 96 2500 with 210,00 on it and all I have put on it is brakes, tires and shocks. I put a water pump on the thing, but only because a friend of dad's that works at Cummins said I should.
I like the Ford cab a little better, but am not real fond of the V8. Guess it's ok, but I run from Texas to Indiana several times a year and the Cummins gets much better mileage. If they were to put that engine in a Ford...I might switch back, but for now there is nothing wrong with the Dodge.
I have studied them all. I read every automotive and truck magazine I can find, and I am an engineer. I just feel GM has taken too many short cuts trying to save money. I have had GM products, but I just hear too many horror stories lately. I have a friend with a new GM 3500. It has 50,000+ miles on it and it has been down more than up. That engine is just not right for pulling a large trailer in the hills. Transmissions fine...engine?????
If I had to have a truck, it would be a Dodge with the Cummins.
When I came back from Indiana last thme,I had a 33ft gooseneck with the 656 diesel, a Super M and an Oliver Super 55 on it. I still got 14 MPH in the Kentucky and Tennessee hills.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Bottom line...get what makes you smile. That way you can never loose.

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BBx

09-12-2005 10:24:54

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

I have a 2004 F250 SD diesel with 24,500+ miles with no problems at all. I don't do a lot of towing though, but I love it. A friend also has a 2004 F250 with 60,000+ miles and also no problems. He tows a 30' fifth wheel camper with his. It is all personal taste, but as far as exterior, I like the Ford, Dodge, and Chevy in that order with not a lot of difference. But I like the Ford interior much better than the others.

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09-12-2005 10:11:39

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Neighbors 2004 Ford with a 6.0 just blew the head gasket at 16,000 miles. Seems Navistar still has some bugs to work out of the 6.0. I have 2002 Dodge with the Cummins. Love the engine, and the rest of the truck isn"t bad either.

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Jerry L /AZ

09-12-2005 09:52:09

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Hi Allen; I have a 1991 dodge 1 ton with a cummings engine in it 83,514 miles on it. we have pulled everthing from a big fifth wheel trailer 38ft i believe to a three axle stock trailer. also have a 10,000 lb equipment trailer to haul the tactors on.and have had no problems, ;oaded or empty it gets the same milege. had to replace a stuck thermostat here last yr. no other problems. we pull a 18ft trailer we use for hauling hay we get 50 100 lb.bales on it have no problems pulling it I was a heavey equipment mech working on cranes and the cummings engine is the same engine they use in the 55 ton Grove rough terrain.
the cat engine was mentioned it is a good engine but now is made in Japan by mitzubisty <(sp) you will find the three diamonds above the starter, cat is a heavey engine also Just my thoughts Jer

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JDknut

09-12-2005 09:17:40

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

The Cummins is the only real diesel out there, the Dodge is just the wrapper it comes in, '97 and up are the best with the good old P7100 injection pump that is used by Mack, Deere, etc.

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Keith on DelMarVa

09-12-2005 19:00:22

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to JDknut, 09-12-2005 09:17:40

yeah, but if you wrapped the tastiest morsel in the world in used toilet paper, would it still be as tasty?

I will admit I havent ridden in the newest model Dodge, but have ridden in numerous 2-3 yo ones, felt like I had been whooped after 100 miles and was half deaf from the noise. I have noticed the newer ones are a lot quieter.

( my judgement may be a little clouded, they should be building my 6.0 PSD this week)

Keith

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JDknut

09-13-2005 03:49:44

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Keith on DelMarVa, 09-12-2005 19:00:22

The noise is what makes a Diesel a Diesel. The best truck would be a Ford with Chevy's trannie (the Allison) and the Dodge's engine (the Cummins). The Allison has class because it has an oil filter on it. Lots of people do put Cummins's in Fords, that makes them decent trucks, then. Ford says it all as they offer the Cummins in the F650 trucks. Anyway, congrats on the new truck order. I have to admit that the 6.0 PS's are quick.

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Keith on DelMarVa

09-13-2005 18:09:27

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to JDknut, 09-13-2005 03:49:44

One of the reasons I ordered the diesel, is cause I love the sound, but man, some of the 4-5 yo cummins's sound like a school bus.

also ordered it for the mileage and the pulling power. I am a field agronomist and cover 45,000 miles a year, so mileage is very important and when I need power for hauling, I need power.

I agree on the frankentruck you describe, to bad noone makes it for us..... course then there'd be no brand arguments;-)

Keith

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Frank in In.

09-12-2005 09:15:23

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

My 6.0 powerstroke was so good that Ford bought it back. In the 4 months I owned it,it spent 64 days in the shop.Turbo went out with 800 miles on it and dumped some shrapnel on top of the pistons,dealer put a new engine in it. That one lasted 1250 miles and dropped a valve into the piston.Ford wanted to patch that engine with a new head and piston only,and I wouldn't accept it.It took a lawyer to do it,but Ford bought it back.I've been a diehard Ford man all my life,but I wouldn't take another one if it was given to me.Like was said below,check with the mechanics in a couple of dealers,there probably won't be alot of good things said about that new engine.

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hbarnhardt

09-12-2005 17:21:47

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Frank in In., 09-12-2005 09:15:23

Frank I think you are on the right track. I constantly hear the same things that you reported. We drive and tow 8000#Bobcats w/Dodge Cummins. The Cummins are great, never a problem (and we have three going all the way back to '89)
I'm very easy on the accelerator, but yet at 90 to 100K, we can expect to replce the tranny. Dodge stinks, Cummins all the way.

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Galen

09-12-2005 08:56:48

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Ya opened up a can of worms on this one! Neighbor has had 2 Chevy Duramax's in the past year - neither would tow for nothin'! Wrangled with the dealer and now has a gasser Chevy to pull his RV with. As for the Cummins - couldn't pay me to have one (especially in a Dodge)! I'm not a real big diesel fan anyway, but Powerstroke has 'em beat! Of course - this is just my crumbled opinion, take it for what it's worth!

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TP from Central PA

09-12-2005 08:56:46

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

From what I seen looking them over, GM still has the better built chassis and nicer cabs..... I"d buy either GM or Dodge. Rather have the Cummins, but I like the whole package on the GM"s though.

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Delbert from Lincoln

09-12-2005 08:10:01

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allen, Hey man, one of those new Internationals would outlast you, and you would never have to worry about it. Look good on a horse trailer too. I"m sure they would take payments for it.

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migraine

09-12-2005 07:38:21

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Boys I've got to jump in here and get a few votes for the GMC with 6.6 Duramax and Allison Trans.I can't imagine a better combo for farming or cruising. Just got back from a 520 mile trip on Sat grossing 27500 lbs. up over the mountain pass at Snoqualmie Pass holding at 52 miles an hour, and never looked back. This is a 2004 Gmc 2500HD ext cab long box and tandem dual goosneck trailer. Was running with one other Duramax and 3 Cummins. No doubt about the cummins motor but I believe the rest of the story gives an edge to the GM. Allan, have you compared the frame and driveline on the Gm with the others? There is some major difference between the Gm and the rest of the "heavy duty" trucks and the drive in the GM has placed first in most of the comparisons done in the last three years. Plus now 2006 Duramax has beefed to 600+ lbs foot torque and 360 Hp. What other trans. is gonna stand up behind these new more powerful motors? They put allison trans in the cement delivery trucks for a reason, they last! At least give "em a look . My 2 coppers. Migraine

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J-TEX

09-12-2005 07:23:24

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allan, I have a 03 f-250 with the 6.0 and have not had any problems at all (40,000mi) I love the truck, no problems pulling a 24ft stock trailer loaded. been getting 20 mpg on the hwy empty, and I have driven chevys all my life but the last two have been fords a 96 f250 with th 7.3 and now the 03. I had a lot of water pump problems on the 96 but other than that no major issues.
just my .02 worth
good luck

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Roy B

09-12-2005 07:11:43

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allan,
I have had 5 Navistar powered Fords and they have all been good trucks. I farm with a fleet of Ford tractors and have 2 Ford Mustangs.The Ford truck is the best on the road but the Dodge/Cummins is by far the best motor. Most of the early bugs have been worked out of the 6.0L Fords but I am still hanging on to my 2000 7.3. I think Ford will be changing engine suppliers in the not too distant future. The Ford- Navistar relationship is pretty strained after the cancellation of the V6 program and a less than successful launch of the 6L.All this being said I have been pretty impressed with the few I have driven. I tell my Mopar buddy all the time I would own a Cummins if Dodge would just wrap something decent around it. Sorry to offend any non-Ford owners out there. Roy

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Brokenwrench

09-12-2005 06:54:56

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Hey Allen,
Between my dad and I, we own 3 powerstrokes (7.3).
A 99 350 crew, a 2000 350 crew, and a 96 250 straight cab (shop/snowplow truck). All of them have between 120,000 and 150,000 miles on them.
Other than routine stuff, we haven`t had any real problems with the 350`s. The 250 we bought right, but had to stick some money in. Seems the guy before was messing around with the computer, and bent over 8 pins on the connector, new puter and she came back to life. I`m pretty sold on em.
Good milage, pull really good, and not bad riding trucks. I`ve pulled about everything with mine, with no problems. BIL has an 04 350 w/6.0. That`s the only one I`ve had experience with to compare against. Seems the 6.0 is alittle guttier from a start, but I pulled the horse trailer with his, and in hills it didn`t seem to have the torque my 7.3 has. In HP and torque the 6.0 is rated higher, but we know that don`t mean everything. If I was looking for another used truck, I`d definately look at the 7.3 over the 6.0, but that`s what I`ve owned and been treated good by. Hope this helps Brokenwrench

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Red Dave

09-12-2005 06:54:45

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Alan, our Fire Co. bought a new 6.0 in a F-550 chassis and had a brushtruck body put on it.
At 32 miles on the odometer, somehow one of the valves hit a piston with a bang. The Ford dealer worked on it, but we got a call that somehow it happened again when they went to start it, in the shop, after the work was done. They wouldn't give a satisfactory explanation for why it happened, just mumbled something about the head gasket not being torqued right. Now how that could cause a valve to hit a piston is beyond me.

When the dealer was done with it, we went and picked up the truck and drove it home, about 200 miles at highway speeds, no problems. It has several hundred miles on it now, still no more problems so far. Being a fire truck, it doesn't get a lot of miles put on it.

It is hauling 300 gallons of water. plus the body, pump and equipment weight for a total of about 17,000 lbs gross. I've never been a Ford fan, but lemme tell ya, that engine has a boatload of torque! We have a lot of hills to travel up and down around here and I haven't found one yet that it won't accelerate on going uphill. You actually have to get out of the throttle going uphill to keep from going too fast for the bends in the road.

I've been impressed with it. Now if it only keeps from having that valve hit the piston again, I think we're going to like it.

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Tim...Ok

09-12-2005 06:48:44

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allan, Find ya a pre-98 Cummins..the ones after that had some trouble with their elec. lift pump goin bad and meltin down the injector pump..could be avoided,but ya had to keep a watch on that fuel pressure..the 97 and older had a good old mechanical lift pump and are reliable as they can be.. I"ve got a 97 4x4 ex. cab dually and love it..had a 95 before that,it was a great truck too... I had a 7.3 ford,before I got that 95 dodge,it ran and pulled good,but never got the mileage that these Cummins get..

Tim

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RodinNS

09-12-2005 06:47:09

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Hi Allan,

If I was buying a truck simply based on the engine, I would buy a Dodge, point blank. Cummins is the only way to go. I don't call those other things engines. I've been a Ford fanatic all my life, but you won't catch me with a 6.9, 7.3, or 6.0, or any other V-8 diesel. Also goes for the Chev 6.2 and 6.5. I'm not saying a whole lot for the Dodge truck, just the Cummins. The older trucks are OK. The new models are a lot nicer though. All I can say is that if you're looking for a diesel truck, say Cummins, Cummins, Cummins! And get the 5 or 6 speed. Anwhow, that's what I'd do..... .

Rod

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Rich Iowa

09-12-2005 06:22:51

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allan, I am in no way an expert on this subject. I"m finalizing on a 1996 Ford F250 w/ the 7.3L Powerstroke today. From what I"ve heard the 6.9L has more HP, but for some reason isn"t as good as the old 7.3L. I called a dealer near me and asked the service manager what kind of problems they"ve had w/ the 7.3L. He couldn"t think of many major problems, said of the two engines the 7.3 is by far the best. I would love a brand new truck, but don"t have the money for it. Good luck, Rich

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Allan in NE

09-12-2005 06:30:43

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 09-12-2005 06:22:51

Hi Rich,

I don't have the money fer a new truck either; that's why I'm so darned grouchy this morning. :>(

Allan

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nwb

09-12-2005 06:16:16

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:01:18

Allen, I like your idea of looking around without the salesmen( opps! persons) present. Now I would suggest going to the service department and talking to the mechanics. I'm like all farmers and would like a diesel truck. After talking to the mechanics I thought the better of it. It seems the new 6.0 has some problems that are not being figured out. The mechanics hesitated to talk to me, so give them a little time. They'll tell you what they think. By the way I ended up getting a 1/2 ton with a 5.4. I think a 1/2 ton will suit me just fine for what I pull and haul. The mechanics liked the 5.4. I like the power.

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Allan in NE

09-12-2005 06:27:46

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to nwb, 09-12-2005 06:16:16

NWB,

The story I got was that the shifting strategy has to be reprogrammed on 'em. But also, that they "have some bugs".

Dunno, wish my old tired Chevy was new again. :>)

Allan

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Norm in Alabama

09-12-2005 06:36:47

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-12-2005 06:27:46

Allen it's a shame you can't get a chevy with a Cummins diesel in it. I'd by one too.

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Rob Helton

09-12-2005 14:29:41

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Norm in Alabama, 09-12-2005 06:36:47

Get the 6.0 powersroke, they are very efficient on fuel and a great ride and the motor is super quite when going down the highway,and will flat out run if you let them, be sure to keep the cruise on. You will love the turning radius of them to,they will turn sharp when parking or what have you. You gotta love the whistle and purr of them. Chevy and Dodge never made a truck.

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thejdman01

09-12-2005 12:12:57

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Norm in Alabama, 09-12-2005 06:36:47

norm a 5.9 will easily fit into a chevy. they make plates for bell houseing wireing harness connectors everything when the wifes 6.5 goes thats wahts going in it and will become my truck. with 331,000 miles keep gaoin though only had 1 rear end pu tin it thats it.

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RustyFarmall

09-12-2005 06:49:05

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to Norm in Alabama, 09-12-2005 06:36:47

Now you're talkin, I was really hoping that Gm would have gone with either a cummins or better yet a cat.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

09-12-2005 15:56:06

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Re: Ford Diesel in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-12-2005 06:49:05

I love my Ford 7.3 turbo super cab. Watch the utility companies. They are the cheapest in the world and mostly powerstroke.

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